Unwilling Ally

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

This is one of those mental construct kind of friend/foe things. Like the "Harvey" Scorpius construct.

I was thinking Lasciel of the Order of the Blackened Denarius.

[PK]

Originally Posted by Finalsora811

I know about the Unwilling limitation to Ally, making it so that they Ally is unwilling to work for you, but how do you get it the other way around? In other words, how would I make it so that I am unwilling to have my own ally?

That's just called roleplaying. If the Ally genuinely helps you, and is willing to take your (reasonable) orders, then it's worth full points no matter how your PC feels about it. At best, you might have a Quirk.

[Finalsora811]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

That's just called roleplaying. If the Ally genuinely helps you, and is willing to take your (reasonable) orders, then it's worth full points no matter how your PC feels about it. At best, you might have a Quirk.

The problem is, he doesn't help me THAT much, and even then, it's minor stuff. As for taking my orders, that NEVER happens, not even once in a blue moon.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

I was thinking Lasciel of the Order of the Blackened Denarius.

Yeah, same thing. It's not that isolated a trope. One of the Dax symbiotes previous hosts was a serial killer that was suppressed but later made a deal with Ezri. To some extent Tyler Durton is the same sort of idea, too.

Originally Posted by Finalsora811

The problem is, he doesn't help me THAT much, and even then, it's minor stuff. As for taking my orders, that NEVER happens, not even once in a blue moon.

That just means his frequency of appearance as an Enemy (Rival) is greater than his frequency as an Ally. Hating your enemy probably isn't even especially quirk worthy.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Finalsora811

I attempt to get rid of him. This is for my Hallucinations Ally,

That's not an Ally. At most it's a Contact.

[Finalsora811]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

That's not an Ally. At most it's a Contact.

Dude, we already discussed this. I was just wondering if there was something making me unwilling to have him around with me, but sir_pudding is right. Hating your Enemy isn't really point worthy.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

That's not an Ally. At most it's a Contact.

What if it can do stuff beyond give you information?

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

What if it can do stuff beyond give you information?

It's a hallucination, and a hostile one at that. It'll be doing good just to give you some valid information.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

It's a hallucination, and a hostile one at that. It'll be doing good just to give you some valid information.

I thought it also had external psionic abilities or something. Yeah if it all it can do to help you is give you information, then it's a Contact.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I thought it also had external psionic abilities or something. Yeah if it all it can do to help you is give you information, then it's a Contact.

There can be a middle ground. Head Six, for example, was able to help Gaius Baltar resist D'Anna's torture and interrogation, but didn't seem to really do anything outside of his head, at least most of the time. This might be modeled as some form of modular abilities, mental only, or for pushing existing capabilities for a short time, with Granted by Ally.

A similar case could be made for Al looking through walls and suchlike for Sam Beckett.