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Old 01-12-2011, 10:55 PM   #1
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The lack of a table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition has always puzzled me. Is there a reason why it was excluded?

EDIT: I just realised that this also applies to GURPS Lite Third Edition.

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The lack of a table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition has always puzzled me. Is there a reason why it was excluded?

EDIT: I just realised that this also applies to GURPS Lite Third Edition.
Space considerations?
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:10 PM   #3
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The lack of a table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition has always puzzled me. Is there a reason why it was excluded?

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Space considerations?
That probably was a contributing factor, but I don't think that was the reason why.
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:12 PM   #4
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Default Re: Is there a reason why there is no table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite 4e?

The Rapid Fire rules don't appear in GURPS Lite.
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The Rapid Fire rules don't appear in GURPS Lite.
Oh. So the simplified mechanics of GURPS Lite don't allow for the use of submachine guns?
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That probably was a contributing factor, but I don't think that was the reason why.
I don't see why you need to look further than that. Most of GURPS isn't in GURPS Lite. Dozens of advantages, disadvantages, skills, rules, etc. Picking out one thing and saying "Why not this?" seems backwards. Why do you think submachine guns are so vital to GURPS that A) SJGames should give away those rules for free and B) give up some of that vital 32 page real-estate?
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I don't see why you need to look further than that. Most of GURPS isn't in GURPS Lite. Dozens of advantages, disadvantages, skills, rules, etc. Picking out one thing and saying "Why not this?" seems backwards. Why do you think submachine guns are so vital to GURPS that A) SJGames should give away those rules for free and B) give up some of that vital 32 page real-estate?
The skill for submachine guns was still included in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition.
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The skill for submachine guns was still included in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition.
So was Flamethrower, but no actual flamethrower weapon, and Blowpipe, but no blowpipe weapon. They included Physician, but they don't include any rules for it (the only medical rules are first aid). Flail skill, but no flails. Engineering, but no invention rules, Occultism but no magic, electronic ops but no electronics, computer ops but no computers, explosives but no rules for explosives, vehicle skills but no vehicles. Want me to go on?

It's a sample product. It's a pretty good one, and you can even run a game from it, but it's very far from complete.
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Oh. So the simplified mechanics of GURPS Lite don't allow for the use of submachine guns?
Yeah, David Pulver has said that the Shotgun was included by mistake.
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The skill for submachine guns was still included in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition.
So was Flamethrower, but no actual flamethrower weapon, and Blowpipe, but no blowpipe weapon. They included Physician, but they don't include any rules for it (the only medical rules are first aid). Flail skill, but no flails. Engineering, but no invention rules, Occultism but no magic, electronic ops but no electronics, computer ops but no computers, explosives but no rules for explosives, vehicle skills but no vehicles. Want me to go on?

It's a sample product. It's a pretty good one, and you can even run a game from it, but it's very far from complete.
After what all of the things you just mentioned, that actually sounds pretty close to impossible.

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Yeah, David Pulver has said that the Shotgun was included by mistake.
The shotgun too? Oh, man.
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