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Due to the physical independence of flight control and turret control, it makes perfect sense for a CM to be able to operate the tail gun even though it isn't a purely mental action. I don't think there's any way to stat that appropriately, though. The tail gun Innate Attack doesn't have anything differentiating it from, say, a breath-weapon innate attack that couldn't be directed independently.
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01-02-2010, 03:36 PM | #22 |
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AFAIK it is legal to take Compartmentalized Mind with a hefty "Only for casting spells" Limitation. I don't remember what the Limitation value is,though. It could be -60% or something like that, but I'm not sure.
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01-03-2010, 01:20 AM | #23 | ||
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Let me give a clearer spell-casting example, since I'm sure you would agree that 1 and 2 could both be charging a Fireball each, creating a double ball, what's the difference between them both then charging a single Fireball? Quote:
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01-03-2010, 10:06 AM | #24 | |
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Both of them could be composing a separate novel too, so what's the difference between them both composing the same one twice as fast? I think everybody knows working with a collaborator doesn't often halve the time it takes to finish the book.
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01-03-2010, 11:37 AM | #25 | |
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If you didn't like my Garrett P.I. reference, think of a 2 CM computer with the ability to parallel process, so on one hand the minds can drive, shoot and navigate all at the same time, on the other hand the three minds can all collaborate in calculating an escape route and produce it 3x faster than they would if only a single mind could work on it. Spells work like a computer processing a mathematical formula, the more processors on the job, the faster the result. |
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01-03-2010, 11:39 AM | #26 | |
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01-03-2010, 11:53 AM | #27 | |
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01-03-2010, 04:42 PM | #28 | |
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Now, if you have a bunch of mathematical formulae you need solved, like one for each pixel in an area, parallel processing will handle that just fine. But that's like needing a bunch of 1d fireballs dropped down a murder hole, three mages can do that as well as one mage with CM:2 in anybody's book. To me, CM is roughly worth ATR(mental). However, CM has the "side" benefit of compartmentalization - mind-control effects only affect one compartment at a time. Compartmentalization also has the same drawback as a multi-core CPU, serial tasks can only benefit from one compartment. Having one or the other I'd say is a wash, but having the best of both worlds should be worth more. Kromm apparently felt it fit to assign the best of both worlds to the base form, which I'd say contradicts the Basic Set, but could be a balance fix. How would you rate a limitation that removes the resistance to mind control, or one that removes the ability to use it like ATR(mental) on serial tasks? Now, from one perspective, resistance to mind-control is worth nothing because GMs usually avoid using it on PCs anyway… But that doesn't apply to Allies, and it certainly doesn't apply to Enemies. And I'm not sure even 4ed embraces that perspective in the first place; there seems to be a meme that in modern psi campaigns, the PCs should spend points on resistance to mind control, presumably because not holding it back is part of the genre. Yup. (That's also a change from 3ed.)
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01-03-2010, 10:48 PM | #29 | |
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Another way of looking at the issue is to increase the number of compartments to an absurd level and think about what happens. Consider 60 compartments. Each of them obviously could increase the power of a fireball by 1 point in a given turn. Suppose they all do this on the same fireball. Should that fireball go from 1 to 61 points in a turn? By the parallel interpretation, it probably should, even though fireballs *can't* be increased to 61 points. Since the processes can run in parallel they must be "add a point", it can't be the case that say one mind is increasing from 1 to 2 and another from 2 to 3, because that would not speed up the process, the second mind would have to wait for the first to finish, so none of them are attempting the illegal e.g. 3 to 4 step. Of course you can house rule an effect, but why should you have too?
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01-04-2010, 03:17 AM | #30 |
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Well, Kromm should be back from his vacation soon, so you can always ask him the question again, try to get it in the FAQ either way for future reference.
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