05-20-2018, 01:58 AM | #11 | |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
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The Ogre Mk. VI is supposed to be 27.4m long, or 92.3mm at 1/300. The current miniature is 85.7mm long, so it is underscale, though it appears to be proportionate. It should be almost 10% larger than it is. In other words, if we treat Winchell's numbers as canon - and I see no reason why not - then the current Mk. V is 97% of its proper size. The metal Mk. VI, however, is only 92%, and it shows when the minis are side-by-side. If the Mk. VI is tweaked to be a full 92 to 92.5mm long, it'll be noticeably and appreciably larger than the Mk. V without being out of scale. I don't have any data on the Doppelsoldner - full-scale or miniature - but anecdotal evidence from GURPS Ogre says "about as long as a Mark VI, but even more massive." Since the idea is to make it look impressive next to the Fencer, and given that the Fencer is (like the Mk. V) 3 1/4" long, making the Doppelsoldner 92mm long seems about right, too. The full 25% suggested by HeatDeath would result in miniatures about 107mm long - far too large! But he is right: the two largest cybertanks (aside from the rumored Mk. VII and the shadowy "other prototypes") should have bigger miniatures. Note that I have no idea if this would make the pieces too large for economical manufacture. But, given the size of the infantry sprue, I really doubt it. I've definitely seen ABS pieces cast larger than what we've got so far from the Ogre line. Worst case, raise the price a little. Ogre Mk. VI miniatures currently go for well over $100, when they hit the market at all. I don't think anyone would mind paying $7-$8 for one in plastic. ;) |
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05-20-2018, 11:03 AM | #12 | ||
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
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I wonder...I ran the math based on the fan expansion of that old "Side by Side" picture of Winchell's, the one that includes the Mk.VI. Basing on that, it looks like there's some scale shenanigans at play, but that the VI should be 25.5m long and the V at 23.3m. If you go by that, it lines up a lot more cleanly: Mk.VI 25.5m @ 1/285 = 89.47mm Mk.VI 25.5m @ 1/300 = 85.00mm Mk.VI Actual (Metal): 85.7mm Mk.VI Actual (Plastic): N/A Mk.V 23.3m @ 1/285 = 81.75mm Mk.V 23.3m @ 1/300 = 77.66mm Mk.V Actual (Metal): Help me out here, Bosch... Mk.V Actual (Plastic): 82.5mm Mk.III 19.2m @ 1/285 = 67.36mm Mk.III 19.2m @ 1/300 = 64.00mm Mk.III Actual (Metal): Help me out here, Bosch... Mk.III Actual (Plastic): 63.5mm Granted, I have no idea which came first...the minis or the poster, but still something to consider. Quote:
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05-20-2018, 11:25 AM | #13 |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
The metal SJ Games Mk. III and V are within micrometers of the plastics. Aside from some surface details like the AP guns, they are nearly indistinguishable side by side.
Here's the thing: if we peg the line at 1/300 (per SJ), and we assume that 25.5m is the length of the Mk. V, then the numbers pretty much work except for the Mk. VI. So it's far simplest to just scale the Mk. VI up to 91-92mm when it comes time to sculpt it for plastic. That makes it both closer to "real" scale and satisfies the folks who think it looks undersized. Edit: And yes, TheAmishStig is correct, the Mk. VI works out to 91.3mm at 1/300 scale. |
05-20-2018, 11:28 AM | #14 | |
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But as I put on FB...I'm not gonna sit here and make Drew pull his hair out over fractions of a mm, or 1:300 vs 1:309. No matter which pair gets used [23.3 / 25.5 or 25.5 / 27.4], it's about a 9% difference (9.4% vs 9.96%)...so as long as the Mk.VI is about 9% longer than the Mk.V, I'll be happy.
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05-20-2018, 12:49 PM | #15 | ||
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05-20-2018, 01:15 PM | #16 | |
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05-20-2018, 03:35 PM | #17 |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
The easiest way to find that out is to ask Winch. What everyone is forgetting about that size comparison chart is that it comes from him mucking about with 3D models, so he has the width numbers from his models, too.
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05-20-2018, 05:00 PM | #18 |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
I did suggest that a few posts back, but went ahead and did the math based on the miniatures anyway. ;)
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05-20-2018, 05:33 PM | #19 |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
Yeah, I saw that. I was just adding some clarification that the size comparison image wasn't created in a vacuum. The numbers are there; it'll be interesting to see how they play out against the minis measurements.
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05-20-2018, 05:37 PM | #20 |
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Re: A VI for the fifth?
. . . and when we send the specs to the miniatures designer, we'll have to come back here to take advantage of the homework y'all have done.
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