Slams and Dual-Weapon Attack

[Humabout]

It surfaced in tonight's game that Dual-Weapon Attack isn't prohibited by the slam rules. Has anyone else come across this? What are your thoughts on it? Would you allow them to be combined in your game?

[Erling]

I wouldn't allow it. It just doesn't make sense.

[Dinadon]

In Martial Arts there are two cases that cover Dual-Weapon Attack and slams. One is Slams With Long Weapons, which is a combined variation of both. The other is Slams as All-Out Attacks, which clarifies how AOA:Double works with slams (only one attack can be the slam), but this can easily be applied to Dual-Weapon Attack as well.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Humabout

Would you allow them to be combined in your game?

Yes. It covers things like punching the enemy just before you shoulder check him. Or punching some other enemy before you shoulder the guy your running at.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by Dinadon

In Martial Arts there are two cases that cover Dual-Weapon Attack and slams. One is Slams With Long Weapons, which is a combined variation of both. The other is Slams as All-Out Attacks, which clarifies how AOA:Double works with slams (only one attack can be the slam), but this can easily be applied to Dual-Weapon Attack as well.

But why would a guy with a sword be unable to slam-and-attack without an AoA, while a guy with two knives could slam-and-attack but only with one knife?

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

But why would a guy with a sword be unable to slam-and-attack without an AoA, while a guy with two knives could slam-and-attack but only with one knife?

Why wouldn't he? Slam with the left shoulder, swing with the right sword. DWA penalties as usual.

[Mailanka]

I think it's more likely that you could either slam or AoA Slam, which allows one attack. That one attack can be either a dual weapon attack, or a rapid strike.

Why wouldn't he? Slam with the left shoulder, swing with the right sword. DWA penalties as usual.

Because then he would do it all the time, and that's just weird. Or... would he need to buy dwa(slam/knife) to buy off the penalty? So the reason he might not is because he suffers a -6 (or whatever the dwa penalty was, IDHMBWM). Still, I like my solution better.

[Bruno]

DWA is a technique bought on a skill level, not on a skill combination level, at least to my knowledge. ie DWA (Brawling) is a separate technique from DWA (Broadsword), not DWA (Brawling/Broadsword)

You definitely don't specify "Brawling slam" any more than you specify "Broadsword thrust". The penalty is -4

You may be thinking of Combinations, which buy off the -6 penalty for Rapid Strikes, and do have to be very specific.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

Because then he would do it all the time, and that's just weird.

When I was in school and fighting all the time that was my favorite move: Punch + Hip Check. Being that I tended to be heavier than the guys I fighting (they'd have height, I had mass) it usually put them on their butt, which made it easier to beat on them, or turn from them and wallop their buddy a bit.

[Humabout]

So just to complicate things even more, let's take an All-Out Attack (Double), where the PC moves his full Move and slams. He also makes a second attack - it's a AoA (Double). Is the second attack treated as a Move and Attack for the purpose of skill caps and what not? How would you tackle this?