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Old 08-21-2019, 08:06 PM   #691
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Been looking at an old entry, Operators, and I think this part is incorrect:

While the US military, like all portions of society, has cut down on tobacco use in comparison to the 1940s, tobacco use is still certainly far more prevalent in the military than the general population.

In fact currently, in our timeline in 2019, vaping has become more popular than smoking.

So honestly, I think special forces would still be smoking, because generally militaries have higher rates of tobacco use than civilian populations currently.
Meh. It's a relative thing, right?

During WWII, tobacco companies received contracts to provide packs of cigarettes for inclusion in military rations. For years, the military leadership tacitly condoned cigarette use, with breaks during training or regular duties where soldiers were told to, "smoke 'em if you got 'em, and pick up butts if you don't."

The inclusion of cigarettes in MREs stopped more than a decade ago; barracks are mostly smoke-free (as are other buildings on military bases); and most soldiers are actively discouraged from damaging their health by smoking.

That said, a greater percentage of military do smoke as compared to civilians, but compared WWIi, the rate is much, much lower.

One notable exception does appear in Spec Ops. They like their cigars, and use them to troll the regular troops.

My friend, Dave, was a member of a signal intelligence team attached to the 82nd Airborne, and was based at Fort Bragg.

Once a month, on a regular schedule, every troop based at Bragg had a timed, long-distance road run. They had to complete a run of five or 10 miles (IIRC) within a set period, with full kits.

Generally, the various units could make the necessary time if they hiked up the hills and ran down the slopes. Everybody hated it, Dave said, and most troops were exhausted by the end.

Except the Spec Ops guys. They ran the whole way in 90-lb packs.

Backwards.

While smoking cigars.

Those units that didn't run it backwards did it while hauling tree trunks on their shoulders, eight or 10 operatives per log.

While smoking cigars.

I used that story as part of that write-up.

As noted in the thread at about that time, modern Spec Ops troops look a whole lot like super soldiers, and come about as close as possible to Capt. Rogers as it's possible to get without magical serums.

So, "a lot more frequently than 21st Century civilians," is still a lot less than even the general population in the 1940s.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:11 PM   #692
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I see. Okay then I accept that.

Hmm what do you think 40's people would think of vaping?
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:39 PM   #693
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I see. Okay then I accept that.

Hmm what do you think 40's people would think of vaping?
It probably satisfies nicotine cravings just fine; it's not as bad for one's health; and it comes in a variety of flavors. So, the potential is there for a substantial growth market, and tobacco companies on both DP-Earth and Stp-Earth will be sweating hard about what happens when the link between tobacco and cancer makes it across the void from Ip-Earth.

The question is, do those two worlds have the technology to manufacture vaping devices that are both safe and affordable?
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:01 AM   #694
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It probably satisfies nicotine cravings just fine; it's not as bad for one's health; and it comes in a variety of flavors. So, the potential is there for a substantial growth market, and tobacco companies on both DP-Earth and Stp-Earth will be sweating hard about what happens when the link between tobacco and cancer makes it across the void from Ip-Earth.
The link is known on both Earths, in the sense that the information has been conveyed, but it will be a while before scientists on both Earths are willing to admit that they've been wrong about smoking being a healthy way to clear the lungs out (apparently this was actually believed in real life in the past). They want to test the information first, and it's rather difficult to convince someone of something when they think that they'll get more money from not believing it.

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The question is, do those two worlds have the technology to manufacture vaping devices that are both safe and affordable?
Not as easy as on Earth-1, and with rather great difficulty on Earth-3, but a vaping pipe is possible, it's just that the ones on Earth-3 would look like a hookah with a steampunk casemod. The first marketable ones on Earth-2 are likely to be fairly heavy, and look like someone dieselpunked one of Bilbo's longer pipes from the Rankin-Bass Hobbit cartoon (he has a collection of pipes to smoke 'pipeweed' with, but two of them are so long that they can almost rest on the ground when he has the stem in his mouth - it's possible that one only appears in the publicity material, and the other in the movie), or like a small flashlight/electric torch with a hose or pipe to vape through.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:43 AM   #695
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Research on aerosoling nicotine has been around aince 1963 apparenty?: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5432409/
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Old 09-02-2019, 05:52 AM   #696
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:43 AM   #697
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I ought to be called the Österreichische Bundesmarine
I think I copied it off of some website, or used Google Translate, so getting the German wrong is certainly plausible. Thanks.
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:47 PM   #698
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RogerBW and johndallman have started a free GURPS fanzine called The Path of Cunning. The first issue has an article called 'The organisation and regulation of magic in the post-war world,' which I feel is potentially quite relevant to Earth-1, despite being written for a different setting during WWII.
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