GURPS 4th edition shotgun

[Donny Brook]

Want some shot-gunnin' fun?
Load up a double barrel 10 gauge with buck-and-ball and add an underbarrel 12 gauge for special purpose ammo.

[fredtheobviouspseudonym]

Originally Posted by Donny Brook

Want some shot-gunnin' fun?
Load up a double barrel 10 gauge with buck-and-ball and add an underbarrel 12 gauge for special purpose ammo.

Why stop there?

Make the underbarrel 10 gauge too -- you may have to make up your own special ammunition but at least you don't have to carry two non-interchangeable types of ammunition.

[benz72]

Originally Posted by Tomsdad

A lot of this is down to the hard threshold between 4 yards (4d+4 pi++*) and 5+ yards with multiple hits with 1d+1

What is your opinion of the 1/2D rule for all ranged weapons?

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by benz72

What is your opinion of the 1/2D rule for all ranged weapons?

It's a gameable abstraction, but one which you don't run into as hard as the point blank one with shotguns.

1). It involves less rules changeover (it's just half damage)

2). for a lot of weapons and shots it doesn't come up much anyway. (how often do people shoot at things more than 750 yards away with a M4?)


I'm actually fine with the point blank rule for shotguns, since IMO it pretty much games out well. Although I'm not sure on the 11d pi++ on the x15 1d+2 3" shell.

[corwyn]

Originally Posted by Tomsdad

It's a gameable abstraction, but one which you don't run into as hard as the point blank one with shotguns.

1). It involves less rules changeover (it's just half damage)

2). for a lot of weapons and shots it doesn't come up much anyway. (how often do people shoot at things more than 750 yards away with a M4?)

I don't think I've ever seen 1/2 damage come up except once or twice for thrown weapons. Even the sling at 60ish yards is unlikely to come up in gurps tactical scale. At least at my table.

[Maz]

Originally Posted by corwyn

I don't think I've ever seen 1/2 damage come up except once or twice for thrown weapons. Even the sling at 60ish yards is unlikely to come up in gurps tactical scale. At least at my table.

Ive simply gone and comeplety remove the range stat on guns.

Instead some have a "very close range" trait. Which means they deal ½damage outside a certain range. This is 50 for shotguns. A few other very short range guns have this trait, but mostly its shotguns.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by corwyn

I don't think I've ever seen 1/2 damage come up except once or twice for thrown weapons. Even the sling at 60ish yards is unlikely to come up in gurps tactical scale. At least at my table.

Yep pretty much.

Maybe I don't do that much modern day stuff, but IIRC it came up a couple of time with some plebs trying to suppress the PCs at long range with AK74's (and maybe in a WW2 game I ran with people doing the same with SMG's now that I think of it)

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by benz72

What is your opinion of the 1/2D rule for all ranged weapons?

I'd say it's much more important for (armored) vehicular combat than personal combat in most contexts. Which takes it right out of the picture for a lot of campaigns.

I also think it's awfully crude and would like more resolution, because in the types of situation where it does matter the additional detail of more breakpoints would actually be really important.

[lordabdul]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

3 hits of 4.5 HP each may not give you the Major Wound HT roll for Knockdown and Stunning but you do get the HT roll at 0 HP for Consciousness.

In my games I count the 3 pellets hits as one attack/wound and 13.5 HP total (or whatever went through DR) would therefore trigger a knockdown roll. I’m not sure if it’s a house rule or not? I can’t find anything explicitly saying what "a single wound" is in terms of major wound rules?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by lordabdul

In my games I count the 3 pellets hits as one attack/wound and 13.5 HP total (or whatever went through DR) would therefore trigger a knockdown roll. I’m not sure if it’s a house rule or not? I can’t find anything explicitly saying what "a single wound" is in terms of major wound rules?

"Any single injury that inflicts a wound in excess of 1/2 your HP is a major wound."; p. B381

So multiple hits from different projectiles in the same turn shouldn't stack to do this. This is most obvious when looking at crippling injuries.

Note though that close range shotshell hits are a single attack per shell.

Again though, the system is performing as intended. It actually is probably being too generous to shotshell, which in real life is actually really terrible for quickly incapacitating big animals (like people); which is why if the OP really wants shotguns that work like Charles Bronson or John-117 is shooting them, there are rules for this.