Latter-Day Saints in Yrth

[combatmedic]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

What doctrines, specifically? The idea of a being a follower of Jesus, but not being a Christian sounds a bit absurd to my atheist ears.

So you think all Muslims are Christians? They follow Jesus. He's one of the most important prophets of Islam. They even believe in the Virgin Birth!

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by combatmedic

So you think all Muslims are Christians? They follow Jesus. He's one of the most important prophets of Islam. They even believe in the Virgin Birth!

I see very little difference between Muslims, Jews, and Christians. But one part of what I said is that the believers must call themselves Christian. A follower of Muhammed that called themself one fits for me.

[Flyndaran]

I want to make sure everyone knows that I'm not being argumentative or nit picky. I really am confused by everyone's views here.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

What doctrines, specifically? The idea of a being a follower of Jesus, but not being a Christian sounds a bit absurd to my atheist ears.

That obviously depends on what being a "follower of Jesus" implies. It would include as a natural course accepting certain claims made about him which includes his claim to divinity within a context assuming the truthfulness of the Torah, which leads to Trinitarianism. It also means accepting the Death, and the Resurrection. In fact, just read the Nicene Creed. It also means readjusting your life to the behavior required by such conclusions.

Just like just fighting beside the Old Pretender doesn't make you a Jacobite if you do not accept his title to the British throne. It makes you an ally.

Now for the record, I think Mormons will be treated more or less as Christians When The Roll Is Called Up Yonder. But that is not the point. The point is that you don't become a Christian just by saying you are.

[combatmedic]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I see very little difference between Muslims, Jews, and Christians. But one part of what I said is that the believers must call themselves Christian. A follower of Muhammed that called themself one fits for me.

So if Jason starts calling himself an atheist, and Smurf starts calling himself a Randian Objectivist, that makes sense to you?

[combatmedic]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I want to make sure everyone knows that I'm not being argumentative or nit picky. I really am confused by everyone's views here.

For starters:

Christians, Muslims, and Jews are monotheists.

Mormons are polytheists.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I want to make sure everyone knows that I'm not being argumentative or nit picky. I really am confused by everyone's views here.

Well you are being ARGUMENTative in a sense; you are inviting philosophical argument. What you are not being is QUARRELSOME.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by combatmedic

So if Jason starts calling himself an atheist, and Smurf starts calling himself a Randian Objectivist, that makes sense to you?

Atheism doesn't fit as it's defined rather simply as disbelief in gods.

I still find the idea of a person that believes in Christ's words not a Christian to be silly. It's in the name after all.

There are people that follow the supposed words of Jesus, but do not believe in any physics bending or supernatural stuff. They aren't Christians?

[b-dog]

Here is a video of how wierd Mormons are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by combatmedic

For starters:

Christians, Muslims, and Jews are monotheists.

Mormons are polytheists.

Satan can be argued to be a co-god in most believers' stances I've come across, official doctrine or not.

Voodoun has loas, so they don't fit?
Many Muslims believe in Jinn that are powerful enough to count as gods to most other religions.