Resistance to Sex Appeal

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

No, it doesn't, as described in powers there is always an ultimate final level, which always costs +50%. I've posted the quote up thread.
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No, the final level of penetrating costs 300%

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

It requires GM permission, but then again most things with cosmic seem like the sort of things GMs would require permission for.

The text you cite seems to say pretty clearly "Only for racially innate skills that are effectively equivalent to advantages." Taking Cosmic on something that amounts to an advantage doesn't strike me as a big exception. All right, maybe a succubus can have Cosmic Sex Appeal. . . .

Bill Stoddard

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

No, the final level of penetrating costs 300%

That was in reference to the defensive side. However your point is irrelevant to the argument; the costs of tiers don't soar ever upwards, there is always a fixed cost to the highest level, the other levels just fit in beneath that.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by whswhs

The text you cite seems to say pretty clearly "Only for racially innate skills that are effectively equivalent to advantages."

I really don't see how you came to the conclusion that it was only for those. If I say "some police officers are criminals" does it follow that only police officers are criminals?

I can't think of anything that might be justified as a racial ability that couldn't be justified as a super ability.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

I really don't see how you came to the conclusion that it was only for those. If I say "some police officers are criminals" does it follow that only police officers are criminals?

I can't think of anything that might be justified as a racial ability that couldn't be justified as a super ability.

"I was imprinted with an innate knowledge of Fast-Talk, without ever studying or practicing it"? That would be a really interesting origin.

Bill Stoddard

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by Witchking

Depends on your point of view...if the above is true than poor Cam may be very lonely. A practitioner with skill may BE a scumbag but the skill lets him appear to be something different...

Resistance to Sex Appeal doesn't mean being asexual.

Resistance to Sex Appeal only means that it is less likely for the would-be-seducer to succeed at getting a "hold" on you. You're more likely to retain your self-control so that you can make the decision, instead of the decision being made by your instincts.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by whswhs

"I was imprinted with an innate knowledge of Fast-Talk, without ever studying or practicing it"? That would be a really interesting origin.

Have you seen White Wolf's Aberrant? Vast amounts of points in stuff like Fast Talk and related perks and advantages would seem to be how you would model something like Mega-Manipulation. Personally I always found the mega-social and mental attributes the most interesting.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by Fwibos

Having read a lot about the science of social engineering (it's one of my hobbies, but only academic, sadly), I tend to notice how woefully inadequate most gamers are at understanding just how powerful it is.

The illusion that one is completely in charge of one self, icluding one's reactions and emotions, and that there is no such thing as a subconsciousness or an unconscious mind inside one's head, is an extremely seductive one.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by whswhs

I actually don't support that conclusion; I think it makes things too easy. Social Engineering offers fairly detailed rules based on the idea that a Very Good reaction is the standard threshold for getting physical. What a Good reaction gets you is a stroll in the moonlight, or private conversation in a hotel room, or "sure, you can buy me a drink."

Sorry, but that has got to be technology-dependent. Specifically, it has got to be dependent on the availability of realiable contracepties (and to a lesser extent, abortion methods).

In a low-tech setting, the threshold for a female character of fertile age needs to be higher, than in a present day setting.

[tg_ambro]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

Sorry, but that has got to be technology-dependent. Specifically, it has got to be dependent on the availability of realiable contracepties (and to a lesser extent, abortion methods).

In a low-tech setting, the threshold for a female character of fertile age needs to be higher, than in a present day setting.

Sorry, but that sounds a little too logical to have been normal human behavior.