|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
01-26-2013, 01:24 PM | #21 |
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
I do consider it an overstatement. Based on the RAW, the difference in value is the product of considering a runaway not something that would be worth recovering for its value, but a threat to the society in question that must be dealt with by any and all means.
|
01-26-2013, 01:39 PM | #22 |
Join Date: Jun 2008
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
That's an offence against the person whose house the rock is in front of, though, not the rock.
|
01-26-2013, 01:40 PM | #23 | |
GURPS FAQ Keeper
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kyïv, Ukraine
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
Quote:
|
|
01-26-2013, 02:04 PM | #24 |
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
Also of course valuable property is in fact considered sufficiently valuable that even its owner will not lightly destroy it, and those who do in defiance of good sense, custom and even the law will often be thought poorly of by others. Destroying another person's valuable property is regarded as a serious offense.
Whereas while subjugated persons may have some degree of value, they are inexpensive to replace and normally unprotected against any degree of abuse by its owner (whether that is a person or the state). Note that in the case where subjugated AI's somehow give their owner trouble, it isn't going to be difficult to replace it with an uncorrupted version, often under cover of warranty or service contract. |
01-26-2013, 05:01 PM | #25 |
Join Date: May 2008
Location: CA
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
Yes, but that'd be so for any slave or property. If the question was whether only the true owner can do anything he wants to the property (or, alternatively, whether the offense is to the property or to the property owner), then sure, robots would be Subjugated - but that's not the case according to Kromm's earlier post. Instead, anyone can do anything they like to it - which means that it'd be perfectly legal for someone to come up to a robot with Social Stigma (Subjugated) and blow it up, reprogram it to follow them instead of its original master, etc., etc.
|
01-26-2013, 10:02 PM | #26 |
In Nomine Line Editor
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Frozen Wastelands of NH
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
(Disclaimer -- I'm still quite a 3rd edition girl, and am rather tired. I don't know how coherent I'm being, or if I'm using shorthand that would require mind-reading to make sense of. >_> )
Concept of "un-valuable property"? Yes, if you do something that causes the item to become unsightly, then you'll have to pay for it, whether spray-painting the rock or staking out the easily-replaced-without-anyone-important-intervening bioroid serf on someone's lawn -- but if you stake out a stray bioroid serf on your own lawn (assuming you don't have a neighborhood lawn patrol), or out in the boonies, who's gonna care? Well, besides the local PETB, but they're all weird extremists, dontcha know. Same if you gather up rocks from the side of the road and paint them or chip them up for gravel. Or mice, perhaps; if they get into someone's house, they generally get killed without fanfare. (But one does not want other people coming onto one's property uninvited to kill mice.) Or maybe earthworms, which do have the useful property of aerating the soil. If someone steps on an earthworm on the street, who cares? If someone comes onto someone else's property to dig up/poison worms wholesale, there will be yelling and perhaps cop-calling. If someone grabs a worm off someone else's grass, it depends on how possessive the someone else is about their grass and anything in it. (Other distinctions: Valuable Property may have effective status/rank over others -- noblewomen over servants; potentially, house slaves over field slaves; etc. Subjugated might have its own internal ranks (I believe this concept is in Social Engineering? Maybe?), but will never get power over anyone outside the Subjugated class.)
__________________
--Beth Shamelessly adding Superiors: Lilith, GURPS Sparrials, and her fiction page to her .sig (the latter is not precisely gaming related) |
01-26-2013, 11:09 PM | #27 | |
Join Date: May 2008
Location: CA
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
Quote:
|
|
01-27-2013, 12:09 AM | #28 |
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
|
01-27-2013, 06:16 AM | #29 |
Join Date: May 2008
Location: CA
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
There's no difference between what she described and it being valuable, though. In both cases, you're liable for damages to the property if you damage without the owner's consent. The law doesn't treat property that's 'cheap' all that differently from property that's 'valuable', and the fact that there are any controls at all is completely contrary to Kromm's post earlier when he specifically said that there were none.
Last edited by Langy; 01-27-2013 at 06:19 AM. |
01-27-2013, 09:06 AM | #30 | |
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
Re: Precise difference between Social Stigmas: Subjugated vs. Valuable Property?
Quote:
|
|
Tags |
kromm explanation, minor, social stigma, subjugated, valuable property |
|
|