02-17-2011, 04:50 AM | #11 |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
Really? I'm having trouble finding a good example.
For example, take Burning Attack 100d (costs 10 FP, -50%; no active defense allowed, +300%; no die roll required, +100%). With multiplicative modifiers, it would cost 1250 points. With additive modifiers, it would cost 2250 points - almost double that of the multiplicative modifier. Another one is Burning Attack 100d (2-yard radius, +50%; costs 10 FP, -50%). With MM, it would cost 375 points. With AM, it would cost 500 points. Lastly, there's Burning Attack 100d (costs 10 FP, -50%). Both AM and MM cost 250 points. Could you provide an example of an advantage that increases in cost by using multiplicative modifiers? |
02-17-2011, 05:52 AM | #12 | |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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Burning Attack 100d(Costs FP: 10/use(-50%), Only Vs Psis(-50%), Affects Insubstantial(+20%)) Under additive modifiers, this is 100 points. Under Multiplicative Modifiers, this is 120 points. Add a set of gadget lims and some more enhancements, and the difference will increase.
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02-17-2011, 06:18 AM | #13 |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
I use Multiplicative Modifiers in pretty much any game where I'm going to need Powers sitting next to my computer. It's working great for my Shadowrun conversion, where most abilities have a ton of Enhancements but can be completely nerfed by relatively low-value Limitations, usually right there in the mandatory Power Mod. I've done the costs out both ways because I'm a masochist like that, and in nearly all cases they are lower (not that I care about that - It's the fair discount for having your stuff taken away sometimes that appeals to me).
The only downside as I see it is that the vast majority of the people in my group see it as extra work. If I wasn't doing all the math for them up front, they would probably vote against using Multiplicative Modifiers. |
02-17-2011, 08:49 AM | #14 | |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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If an ability has only limitations or only enhancements, it'll cost the same. If an ability has any amount of limitations less than -80% as well as some enhancements, it will cost less. It's only if an ability has more limitations than enhancements OR more than +500% in both enhancements and limitations that an ability may cost more. A 'fix' to make it so that Multiplicative Modifiers works with >-100% limitations is to make it so you subtract any amount greater than -80% in limitations from the amount of enhancements - basically additive modifiers while an ability has >-100% in limitations until it gets down to -80%, then -80% thereafter. Last edited by Langy; 02-17-2011 at 08:53 AM. |
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02-17-2011, 08:59 AM | #15 | |
Dog of Lysdexics
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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so it doesn't take more limitations then enhancments for it to happen. |
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02-17-2011, 09:13 AM | #16 | |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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You could have a +10% enhancement - you'd need -90% in limitations in order to get that down to 20% of base cost. 90% is significantly greater than 10%. |
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02-17-2011, 09:16 AM | #17 | |
Dog of Lysdexics
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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100 Base + 10% = 110 - 80% limitation is [22] not 20. |
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02-17-2011, 09:41 AM | #18 | |
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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You said that you don't need more limitations than enhancements in order to get an ability down to 20% of base cost. That's simply not true. |
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02-17-2011, 10:02 AM | #19 | |||
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
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If you have +X% in enhancements and -Y% in limitations, then so long as Y is less than 80 then the multiplicative version will be cheaper. However, if Y is greater than 80 then it depends on the value of X as to which will be cheaper. |
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02-17-2011, 10:50 AM | #20 |
Never Been Pretty
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Re: Who actually uses the multiplicative Modifiers from Powers?
So what's your difference between multiplicative modifiers and Multiplicative Modifiers? I use them interchangeably.
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