03-31-2016, 12:07 PM | #21 |
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Re: [ATE] What makes you interested?
Personally I'm more interested in the stress aspects of personally having your world flipped upside down.
ATE is a great genre to use stress and derangement. People had comfortable first world problems that suddenly are gone. Sudden vast changes to a lifestyle can't be healthy mentally and a system to encourage people to seek the normality of their old life might be interesting. Get that stress relief on!
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03-31-2016, 12:30 PM | #22 | |
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03-31-2016, 01:12 PM | #23 | |
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The rush of international aide to America after 9/11 and after Katrina is an example of reaching out to members outside your tribal group.
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03-31-2016, 03:20 PM | #24 |
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I'll get back to you, but notice that the people who gave in both cases were not the people who we attacked or harmed,. How did Americans react to 9/11? They were the ones who were attacked.
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See the graph on p.7 of the linked PDF from charity.org; private donations from Americans to "international affairs" causes increased quickly after 2001, jumping by 50% between 2001 and 2004. Quote:
In particular, our intuitions are not reliable here. As my first link noted, there's widespread misunderstanding about how people actually react in disaster scenarios: "the scientific understanding is at odds with common wisdom or what we are likely to read in the media." |
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03-31-2016, 08:18 PM | #26 |
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Post-apoc is DF with better suspension of disbelief and better tech. That's one thing that I like. It's essentially an anarchy so players have almost absolute freedom of action, unlike in modern settings. They can do anything they like (and deal with consequences) without attracting SWAT teams.
I like the exploration aspect. And the survival aspect, by which I mean surviving by using other than combat skills (I'm a bit of an outdoorsman). Like some others, I'm interested in "non-wasteland" things like community building, farming, etc. So I'm really not interested in recapitulating Mad Max so much as AFTERMATH!.
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03-31-2016, 10:09 PM | #27 | |
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04-01-2016, 07:39 AM | #29 |
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While this is interesting, we should also keep in mind that even "realistic" versions of AtE are about the aftermath of a collapse, not the aftermath of a disaster. The difference is that after a disaster the system reasserts itself (Barkerville is rebuilt, a new king is crowned, the refugees spread among neighbouring towns), but after a collapse it falls to pieces and something new has to be built. Collapses tend to be accompanied by wars, the breakup of old groups, and desperate struggles amongst different factions of survivors whereas disasters more often see the survivors cooperate.
For example, the farming societies of North-Eastern North America tried to deal with the blows from epidemic diseases, invasive fauna which disrupted their traditional food sources, strange new religions, and the ways that the opportunity to trade furs and pelts for iron arrowheads or muskets or cloth or jewelry upset the traditional balance between their groups. As far as we can see from the few sources which survive, they mostly tried very hard, and if they had faced less emergencies at once they might have succeeded. The result was a long series of nasty wars in the 17th century, the formation of new polities and new identities and the death of old ones, and the wholescale transformation of large areas near the Atlantic from the "park-like" environment described by early European visitors into much denser and less cultivated woods. See any book on the background to King Philip's War, or Facing East from Indian Country for introductions. And postapocalyptic adventure is not always a genre driven by realism anyways ...
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By Joseph Tainter. He has many examples of collapse in the books and tries to develop an understanding of what the reaction to collapse looks like. It is not the same as a localized disaster, but the abandonment of complex social arrangements that do not solve immediate problems of safety and security. |
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