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But, I'm not saying "since there isn't something between the quirks and disadvantages, you can't make one. Go away you silly little man", I'm saying "I think it's an awkward space that if you're not careful can lead to giving too many points really quickly." Particularly if you just do -2 points per -1 penalty without looking at things. Penalizing taste/smell for instance - minus infinity is -5 points. There's just not a lot of space to work with there. Hard of Hearing is -10 for -4 to Hearing, while it's -1 for -1 to Hearing. You can do -2 and -3 in there, splitting the difference. All three versions of bad vision come with stuff other than sense penalties, on account of humans being so vision oriented. Dissecting them can be difficult - if you give a point value to a flat -6 penalty, for instance, you're defacto stating what the rest of the Bad Vision (Nearsighted) or (Farsighted) disadvantage point cost is. It's a bigger can of worms than it might appear on the surface.
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But after eating, I realize that I was a bit muddled in thinking missing the possible pitfalls to dull senses. Not to mention my writing was probably a hair more standoffish than usual.
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Re: Opposite of Acute Senses - Dull Senses?
So, returning to the original, non-meta topic...
I would use these with no problem, and even allow characters to purchase them. But be sure to cap them at the number of points for the total lack of the sense. For instance Dull Taste/Smell -10 [20] would be right out. Even if someone has bought up their PER to 17, you can't get more points for a negative than for something which prevents you from making the roll. |
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For taste and smell, I wouldn't give more than -1 per -2 to rolls - that way -5 is equal to -10 and becomes No Taste And Smell.
For sight, you either hand out diluted versions of the combat penalties along with the vision penalty, or you have to decide how much of Bad Sight is the combat penalty. For hearing, I'd say that the penalty to understand other people speaking seems very fair to hand out with a diluted version of the disadvantage. Although I can't think of any animals with actual bad hearing. I know there's deaf animals (they usually have some kind of Vibration Sense instead), and animals with more or less ability to tell which direction a sound came from, but not any known for particularly bad hearing, per ce.
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Personally, I'd divide out the cost of Blindness, Deafness, Numb, and No Sense of Smell/Taste by 10 and call that your -1/level cost. There are some issues with doing that, but it's a good starting point.
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Owls are not the standard for precision in location of a sound at all - their asymmetric ears are unusual. They're like hawks and eagles for vision - exceptional. Humans don't have mobile pinnae, but from what I understand the wrinkly ears on great apes is supposed to actually act a little like the owl's asymmetry - weak in comparison, of course. Owls are the superstars. Similarly, dolphins and bats are exceptional for having sonar, primates aren't sub-par for not having it. Bringing it up is really a complete side issue. Humans have a lot of brainpower associated with processing the sounds we hear (within more or less the range of human speech) - like the dedicated brainspace for processing human faces, the wetware for processing speech can (and is) re-purposed for other specialist recognition tasks. Recognizing individual species of birds by a brief sample of song, identifying the make and model of a car by a brief glimpse of the bumper and turn signal.
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Ultrasonic hearing is necessary to help locate sounds when the ears are close together unlike ours.
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