01-22-2016, 07:54 AM | #21 | |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
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I'm more curious about the distinction between a oWoD vampire hiding a secret, a bucket-headed robot with no mouth, and the chi master - but this actually isn't a Doesn't Eat Or Drink thing IMO, and isn't entirely covered by Kromm's answer.
It's been clarified (in IIRC Horror and Zombies) that if you have a physical consumption Dependency of a fairly high frequency, you don't qualify for Doesn't Eat or Drink. A vampire that only has to feed the Dependency monthly or quarterly or whatever still has it, but a vampire that has to feed at least daily is actually under significantly more onerous feeding conditions than a human (missing your daily feeding gives you hourly HP damage!). The robot can't even TRY to eat at a human dinner party, but also isn't going to face social expectations to eat either. The oWoD vampire can put food in its mouth, but looks rather disgusted and makes Will rolls to swallow it, and then suffers from something worse than Nausea (rolling Will or HT every minute or so to avoid Retching, even without provoking stimuli). The oWoD vampire does face expectations to eat, and can be assumed to be protecting their Secret (is a vampire). The chi master can cheerfully sit down to dinner with their hosts and enjoy every bite, within whatever restrictions they might have due to Vows or the like. The robot can't ingest things, accidentally or deliberately. The vampire and the chi master can both end up ingesting things. However, for the vampire, the food itself is effectively a Secret-destroying metabolic hazard - one that bypasses the vampires Immunity to Metabolic Hazards, no less! The chi master isn't going to throw up from a cup of tea. So what's that second, oWoD-Vampiric Can't Eat Or Drink? And then there's the ability to burn Energy Reserve (or HP or some other valuable resource) to temporarily suppress the metabolic hazard - but you're still making Will rolls to not look totally grossed out.
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01-22-2016, 08:21 AM | #22 | |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
It should have been a Weakness, but I think there are still no official rules to modify that to inflict an Irritating Condition (Nausea in this case) rather than damage or fatigue. Just use whatever your favorite house rules for allergies are I suppose.
Note that it isn't actually that serious a social problem, especially in the modern world. There are lots of socially acceptable reasons for not eating ranging from severe food allergies that make it unsafe for you to eat food prepared somewhere that might have traces of it to belonging to a caste or religion that never eats with outsiders. Quote:
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01-22-2016, 09:05 AM | #23 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
Hm.
Revulsion: Food Accessibility: Reduced Symptoms.
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01-22-2016, 09:26 AM | #24 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
I assume in most cases (assuming supernatural creatures that can't eat or drink are not public knowledge) an obscure prohibition against sharing food with anyone not of your religious group would work as a cover.
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01-22-2016, 05:17 PM | #25 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
I still don't see why it would be a zero point feature. It removes character choice and that's always a disadvantage in every other situation.
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01-22-2016, 05:46 PM | #26 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
As Kromm stated that lack of choice is balanced against you can't be tricked into swallowing a tracker or some other baleful effect.
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01-22-2016, 05:52 PM | #27 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
In order to be tricked like that, you have to actually be making the choice to eat -- just because you can eat doesn't mean you will. Kromm seems to be bundling together Perk (Can Eat) and Quirk (Eats even though it's unnecessary).
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01-22-2016, 06:14 PM | #28 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
It goes beyond being tricked, you physically can't be forced, which removes a potential entry point for poisons or other hazards. Sounds like a Perk to me.
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01-22-2016, 06:26 PM | #29 |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
Most things with doesn't eat or drink aren't concerned, and having things forced down your throat is well into the 'less than once per campaign' rarity (the only time it's ever come up for me, as player or GM, was using facehuggers. Which would have happily found an alternative orifice anyway).
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01-22-2016, 07:07 PM | #30 | |
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Re: Does Doesn't Eat or Drink include can't Eat or Drink?
I mean, I am fine treating Doesn't Eat or Drink as including "Cannot Eat or Drink" by default and making it require Switchable to turn it off for characters that sometimes do need/want to eat or drink but...
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There might be an alternate way for whatever in question is there to harm the character, to the point being safe from it is barely worth being a Perk. Then there are characters that already paid elsewhere, like a character that can't be forced to Eat or Drink and has Resistant: Immune to All Metabolic Hazards. Now assuming that by default he or she cannot even feign eating only carries the advantage that someone can't force feed them ground glass or something similarly dangerous.
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