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Ah, but that's not true. MA: FCCS explicitly deals with this.
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07-08-2011, 11:19 AM | #42 |
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Re: Question about cutting a throat.
I'll just point out that this is not academic. There are readily accessible images of this exact situation. And I'll leave it at that . . .
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07-08-2011, 11:32 AM | #43 | |
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Re: Question about cutting a throat.
Where? All I've seen is mention of holds that hold the mouth shut, not that these holds impose Cannot Speak/Mute, or that cutting through the neck results in Cannot Speak/Mute (except through a very lucky roll on the neck major wounds table). As a GM, I'd probably say 'yeah, he can't talk', but I'd rather see explicit mention of that.
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07-08-2011, 11:34 AM | #44 |
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07-08-2011, 11:42 AM | #45 | |
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GURPS does have a way to silence your opponent. RAW, both choke hold and face grapple silence opponents. Please see Martial Arts: Fairbairn Close Combat Systems pg 11. Regarding a bonus to hit a location that you've immobilized via grappling. What you get is that your opponent gets penalties to defense (or if you've grappled from the rear, no defenses at all). This means that you can use Telegraphic Attacks for +4 to hit with little consequence. ST matters, it makes the difference on if you can get through muscle and sinew, or if your cuts are shallow. But let's give your soldier ST12 holding a Large Knife (1d-1imp/1dswing). And a Very Fine Knife (+2), Either using Smash and Grab or Mighty Blows Extra Effort for (+2), and if thrusting using a Reversed Grip for +1. So, that is 1d+4imp or 1d+4cut on Neck Arteries....which has a x2.5 damage modifier. So if you roll a 3 on that 1d, you are looking at 17hp damage. If you roll a 4 on that 1d, you are looking at 24hp damage. For all the average sort of sentry you are attacking-- 1) They are at less than 0 hp and must make an HT roll to avoid Unconsciousness. If they fail, they are out and are going to die from blood loss. 2) On a roll of 4+ for that damage, they are also at -HT hp and need to make a Death Roll...which if they fail means instant death. 3) This is a Major Wound. So they must make an HT roll to avoid Knockdown and Stunning. 4) If using all the Bleeding rules, then this person is bleeding out and will die without surgery. So they are going to die. So you have a very good chance of knocking the person out in one second if not killing them. If you don't get them down in the first second, in the second second, a rapid strike should do it. |
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07-08-2011, 11:59 AM | #46 | ||
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07-08-2011, 12:00 PM | #47 | |
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Veins and arteries (if cut) bleed for 1 HP per turn! For a typical 10 HT that is a maximum of 1 minute IF they make every roll to stay alive. A typical 10 ST using a knife might spen 1 FP to do xtra damage and all out attack for x-tra damage as well. This brings the knife damage up to 1d+3 with an average roll of 3-7. This translates to 6-14 damage and then shock penalties accumulate and stun and all theother wonderful injury rules that reduces defenses so the 2nd, 3rd and 4th attacks basically can't be defended against. it is only in the movies that the cutting of a throat INSTANTLY kills a person. this is not realistic at all and even in the movies the people grab their throats and stare at the killer for some seconds before finally failing a roll to stay conscious. they are STILL alive at this point and are waiting to fail a roll to stay alive. Sentry removal usually involves getting asentry prone, very quickly with his face in the dirt. this is accomplished by a grap of the crotch from behind and a forceful, forward shove to the back of the head, driving the victims face into the dirt. the body's automatic responce to a groind grab is an intake of air which keeps the victim quiet. The victim is now prone and pinned (pinning rules are brutal in gurps) Follow this with quick stabs to the kidneys or the brain stem (x3 or x4 damage for 9-21 damage on average using the numbers above) this whole process can take 4-5 seconds, which is blindingly fast in the real world but seems slow in the turn based combat system of GURPS. Regardles though, the GURPS system adequately deals with this sort of scenario.
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07-08-2011, 12:01 PM | #48 | |
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I have the vague idea that I've seen that in other RAW, but I haven't been able to turn it up. I'm pretty sure a machete is way bigger than a large knife. It might not be bigger than a long knife. Martial Arts probably addresses this, but I don't have it handy. I don't know if this is houserules or playing a different edition (given that you use HT instead of HP), but that's flat out not true. Martial Arts for 4e has Veins and Arteries bleed every 30 seconds.
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07-08-2011, 12:12 PM | #49 |
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Re: Question about cutting a throat.
One other thing: if a person cuts the a victim's windpipe wide open and that victim screams what makes anyone thing that no sound will come out. Unless the vocal chords are severed, the person will still have a voice to scream with. This voice will come out of a throat hole just fine, but will be accompanied by the flippity-flap of torn flesh and gurgling noises of liberated fluids.
All-in-all a noisy affair of horiific proportions. Rangers teach a stab to the kidneys and a hard tearing motion down through them while silencing the victim with the other hand. The pain is so excrutiating that the victim usually can't scream at all and bleeding is so fast that they die quickly, NOT immediately.
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