4th ed vehicle stat for modern British army vehicles

[chimchim]

I was hoping someone out there may have some decent gurps stats (a goid approximation will be cool) for the following British vehicles:-
Challenger 1and 2 mbt
Warrior apc/ifv
Scimitar light tank
Couger patrol vehicle (I believe based on the US Couger)

This is for a supers game and nit intended to be used by the players so armour and gun stats is really what I need.

Thanks in advance.

[Phantasm]

IIRC, the Challenger 2 and the Abrams have very similar stats, even mounting the same 120mm main gun.

Much the same with the Warrior and the Bradley.

I believe those are in High-Tech, but IDHMBWM atm, so I can't say for certain.

The others, I'm not sure about just yet. The Scimitar conceptually could be a better armed/armored Bradley, but not as armored as the Abrams; pick a DR
between the two. I've not seen anything that could be a match for the Cougar, but I'd give it DR similar to that of the APC in the Basic Set.

Weapon-wise, the Cougar mounts a 5.56mm NATO, 7.62mm NATO, .50 BMG, or 40mm auto GL; there's stats for those in Basic Set and High-Tech. The Scimitar and Warrior both mount a 30mm autocannon as their main gun; again, stats in High-Tech should suffice.

Hope this helps.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

I believe those are in High-Tech, but IDHMBWM atm, so I can't say for certain.

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No, what's in high Tech is the T-72 with the French Panhard and the
Soviet BRDM-2 armored cars from a slightly earlier period.

Most of the probably important stats for your purposes can be worked out though. ST/HP will be determined by weight according to the formula on p.558 of Campaigns. DR be DR70 equals 25mm of RHA equivalent.

You might find 3rd ed versions on the net. You could start searching with "Onno Meyer" and "Vehicle of the week". You would convert HP from 3rd to 4th with the Campaigns formula above . DR would be the same. Weapons ACC might eb the bid difference. Cut it in half as a broad guideline.

[Þorkell]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

IIRC, the Challenger 2 and the Abrams have very similar stats, even mounting the same 120mm main gun.

No, it isn't the same gun. The one on the British tank is a rifled gun, and the one on the Abrams is a smoothbore one. Both guns are 120mm though.

[Mr Frost]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

IIRC, the Challenger 2 and the Abrams have very similar stats, even mounting the same 120mm main gun.

Much the same with the Warrior and the Bradley.

I believe those are in High-Tech, but IDHMBWM atm, so I can't say for certain.

The others, I'm not sure about just yet. The Scimitar conceptually could be a better armed/armored Bradley, but not as armored as the Abrams; pick a DR
between the two. I've not seen anything that could be a match for the Cougar, but I'd give it DR similar to that of the APC in the Basic Set.

Weapon-wise, the Cougar mounts a 5.56mm NATO, 7.62mm NATO, .50 BMG, or 40mm auto GL; there's stats for those in Basic Set and High-Tech. The Scimitar and Warrior both mount a 30mm autocannon as their main gun; again, stats in High-Tech should suffice.

Hope this helps.

As Þorkell said , the main gun is different {the British gun is more accurate with high explosive rounds for example} but there are other differences that will register in G.U.R.P.S. such as the Abrams being faster but with much worse range in real life conditions due to the gas turbine using far more fuel at lower power {most times the engines wont be running at full power} .

The Warrior has a 30 mm cannon with greater punch but notably lower rate of fire than the Bradleys' 25mm bushmaster {the Bushmaster is in High Tech , p136-137 , but not the L21 RARDEN} and I think the Warrior might be better armoured .

The Scimitar is not an IFV like the Warrior and does not carry infantry , it is a scout tank built on a different hull and I think the Warrior is better armoured {at least frontal} .

[Mr Frost]

Tentative stats for the L21 RARDEN based off the Hughes M242 Bushmaster {High Tech p 136-137} loading APSE, HEI

Damage 6d x 5 pi++ with follow-up 4d [1d+2] cr ex
Acc 6+? {it is apparantly more accurate than the Bushmaster}
Range about 1/3 more than the 25mm , I think the given in High Tech might be a typo so look up errata .
EWt 240lbs
RoF 1 {or 2 , the real life RoF is 90 rpm so you might even have it fire 1 the first round then 2 the next round}
Shots 3x2 {2 three round mags}
ST a lot ?
Bulk -11 Rcl 2
Cost ?

Note , this is guesswork ; I don't have any good hard data on it .

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Mr Frost

Tentative stats for the L21 RARDEN based off the Hughes M242 Bushmaster {High Tech p 136-137} loading APSE, HEI

Damage 6d x 5 pi++ with follow-up 4d [1d+2] cr ex
Acc 6+? {it is apparantly more accurate than the Bushmaster}
.

This is extremely unlikely to rise to ACC 7. There are no real world guns in any GURPS supplement I know of with an ACC over 6. Not even the 5" dual purpose naval gun in SEALS in Vietnam.

[Matticusguy]

Just a quick note which might come in handy, the Scimitar (unless its changed since 2009) has a manual turret traverse rather than the powered one found on the other vehicles.

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

No, what's in high Tech is the T-72 with the French Panhard and the
Soviet BRDM-2 armored cars from a slightly earlier period.

Most of the probably important stats for your purposes can be worked out though. ST/HP will be determined by weight according to the formula on p.558 of Campaigns. DR be DR70 equals 25mm of RHA equivalent.

You might find 3rd ed versions on the net. You could start searching with "Onno Meyer" and "Vehicle of the week". You would convert HP from 3rd to 4th with the Campaigns formula above . DR would be the same. Weapons ACC might eb the bid difference. Cut it in half as a broad guideline.

Thanks I searched onno meyer and found only sci fi vehicles but then my search fubis weak lol.

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by Mr Frost

Tentative stats for the L21 RARDEN based off the Hughes M242 Bushmaster {High Tech p 136-137} loading APSE, HEI

Damage 6d x 5 pi++ with follow-up 4d [1d+2] cr ex
Acc 6+? {it is apparantly more accurate than the Bushmaster}
Range about 1/3 more than the 25mm , I think the given in High Tech might be a typo so look up errata .
EWt 240lbs
RoF 1 {or 2 , the real life RoF is 90 rpm so you might even have it fire 1 the first round then 2 the next round}
Shots 3x2 {2 three round mags}
ST a lot ?
Bulk -11 Rcl 2
Cost ?

Note , this is guesswork ; I don't have any good hard data on it .

Good enough for a low realism supers game lol thanks