Fire and lowtech questions.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by tanksoldier

I think we're saying the same thing, but it IS possible to die from inhaling smoke that isn't hot enough to injure just from it's temperature.

Compatible things anyhow. What I was getting at is I think 'died of smoke inhalation' can include 'died because the smoke they were inhaling was a couple hundred degrees centigrade', as well as other less thermal respiratory agencies.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Yeah it does. Basic is downright explicit on this. "Armor is good protection
against fire; clothing worn over armor (e.g., a surcoat) might burn, but the armor’s DR reduces the damage normally. Clothing that is wet or worn under armor is almost impossible to ignite, and won’t stay lit."

Now maybe the armor doesn't protect from damage caused by the armor itself burning...

Two things: first leather is Resistant, same as clothing so it's probably reasonable to say that 3 points catches some of it on fire; secondly unless he was wearing leather armor on every location, there's probably clothing that could catch that isn't under armor.

[starslayer]

Welding generally takes place at 1370 c
The actual arc of a welder is between 3000-20,000c
Wood flame by comparison is a meager 585c

Wearing leather welding gloves DOES let you directly touch the molten steel and be in direct proximity of the welding arc, or have it drip on you with nothing more than some scorching on the outside of the leather. I have actually ended up in the situation where the glove itself (over 15+ seconds of welding) ended up so hot that I had to stop what I was doing take the glove off and set it aside for minutes while it cooled down.

If I had been doing that without a glove I'd most likely have a more than crippled hand, and I don't think a welding glove counts as more than DR 2.

If we go with alchemist fire being twice as hot as wood fire, then it is still radically lower then the temperatures that a welding glove with its mere DR 2 deal with constantly.

Next: Being IMMERSED in fire counts as large area injury- see basic set pg 400; but its the average of the best and worst DR.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by starslayer

Wearing leather welding gloves DOES let you directly touch the molten steel and be in direct proximity of the welding arc, or have it drip on you with nothing more than some scorching on the outside of the leather. I have actually ended up in the situation where the glove itself (over 15+ seconds of welding) ended up so hot that I had to stop what I was doing take the glove off and set it aside for minutes while it cooled down.

If I had been doing that without a glove I'd most likely have a more than crippled hand, and I don't think a welding glove counts as more than DR 2.

In that case I think I would give the glove extra DR against burning damage only. Maybe not up to DR 10 (matching the average damage from molten metal), as you say "touch," which isn't the same as being immersed; but higher than DR 2 seems reasonable.

[starslayer]

Originally Posted by whswhs

In that case I think I would give the glove extra DR against burning damage only. Maybe not up to DR 10 (matching the average damage from molten metal), as you say "touch," which isn't the same as being immersed; but higher than DR 2 seems reasonable.

I see where you are going there, but welding gloves are literally nothing special; just a leather glove, generally about the same thickness as a work glove (but a longer cuff to protect the wrist), and with no mesh portions and overlapping stitches (which would notably be the same thing done for gloves intended to provide protection from attack).

Leather is just a really good material for fire/heat protection and not at all prone to catching fire.

[Jaware]

I hate to stir the pot even more, but what about heat?

The ht roll, is it penalized? Or unpenalized?

[starslayer]

Originally Posted by Jaware

I hate to stir the pot even more, but what about heat?

The ht roll, is it penalized? Or unpenalized?

We were talking about less than ten seconds on a patch of earth that has alchemical fire burning on it- I don't think heat would have become an issue outside of 'damage from flame'.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Jaware

I hate to stir the pot even more, but what about heat?

The ht roll, is it penalized? Or unpenalized?

Originally Posted by starslayer

We were talking about less than ten seconds on a patch of earth that has alchemical fire burning on it- I don't think heat would have become an issue outside of 'damage from flame'.

From the Basic Set, p434:

Intense Heat: Human skin starts to
burn at 160°; see Flame (p. 433) for
damage. Even if no damage penetrates
your DR, you will rapidly overheat
if the ambient temperature is
more than 6 x your comfort zone’s
width over your comfort zone (e.g., in
a fire). After 3 x DR seconds, make a
HT roll every second. On a failure, you
lose 1 FP. Your DR provides its usual
protection against burning damage,
but it has no effect on this FP loss.

[Jaware]

Originally Posted by starslayer

We were talking about less than ten seconds on a patch of earth that has alchemical fire burning on it- I don't think heat would have become an issue outside of 'damage from flame'.

Well, stunned, and then unconscious, 3 x Dr seconds. With a broken leg. He's 1 second from long enough till it starts. so yea, its about to be an issue.

[starslayer]

Originally Posted by Jaware

Well, stunned, and then unconscious, 3 x Dr seconds. With a broken leg. He's 1 second from long enough till it starts. so yea, its about to be an issue.

In that case look at Ulzgoroth's post above.