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Old 07-18-2019, 06:21 PM   #581
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Actually, assessments like these have historically taken place, in cases when either there wasn't an obvious heir or if the general situation was unstable. There wasn't a fixed and stated numerical value and the various factors were weighed essentially by the consensus (or lack thereof) of the nobility, but at the end of the day, choices were made based on such assessments.
It tended to be the way the English succession would work out in the days of the Wittanagemot and was the logical effect of Parliamentary Supremacy in it's early stages. The Hanover-Stuart wars were in effect one faction claiming a right to "points" though it didn't call it that and another claiming direct succession.

The main problem I see with bluntly calling it a points system is that it is impossible to find final agreement on the points and it will be like judging a figure skating contest. The effect will either be Parliamentary Supremacy (which we already know about) or a frank electoral monarchy which isn't quite the same thing (I don't think Jon Sobieski had any notable royal blood recorded though someone will correct me on that).
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:03 PM   #582
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Council of Old Ladies:

The Senate must approve any clans title to representation in the Senate. It must satisfy the others that it is capable of contributing to public funds and the common defense, and to reproduce children. It also must satisfy that it's internal laws are honorable and will not bring disgrace on other clans.

When talking on the later point the ones casting their vote are prodded by relations stereotypically elderly females who are plugged into the gossip network. These form the ironically termed Council of Old Ladies.

The COL does not just approve new Senate members but are a general forum for discussing the honor or lack thereof of members of society. They are not, repeat, not an official government function. However their ability to put pressure on office holders gives them an unusual place.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:55 PM   #583
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This would be a legal procedure. It might actually have been tried in reality, but I don't recall hearing about it.

Imagine a society that believes in the medieval concept of 'trial by ordeal'. (Note that this scales separately of technical advancement, it could be anything from a Bronze Age city-state to a galaxy-spanning empire).

However, it works a bit differently in that whoever is bringing the charges, even if its the state, must post a 'bond', and if the defendant survives and 'passes 'the ordeal, he is not only exonerated but claims the bond.

The ordeal is nasty enough to make it unlikely someone would risk it for the money, but the sum is substantial. Now, a quirk of the system is that you can hire somebody to take your place in the ordeal. If your hireling fails, both he and you face the penalty together (prison, death, whatever). But he 'passes', you're cleared too and you get the bond and he gets his wages (very likely a portion of the bond).

The worse the penalty at risk, the bigger the bond sum.

The ordeal isn't just plain torture, though, it's usually something like a quest or a challenge, though pain and suffering may well be involved in doing it.

The gaming possibilities should be self-evident...
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:31 AM   #584
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In one of Frank Herbert's books, I think The Dosadi Experiment death penalty cases always result in a execution. If the prosecution does not prove the case they are executed for trying to kill someone innocent.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:17 PM   #585
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In one of Frank Herbert's books, I think The Dosadi Experiment death penalty cases always result in a execution. If the prosecution does not prove the case they are executed for trying to kill someone innocent.
I think the Venetians actually had something like that but it was for the one bringing charges. The Prosecutor would have been a cog and in any case they seemed to have used more the Inquisitorial method than the Adversarial.
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