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Old 08-06-2019, 02:34 AM   #1
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I noted recently that the description for CA Body says "Any vehicle body". Now I have never considered the implications of this.

CA Bikes! Let's face it they are dead in a collision anyway, so why not go the whole hog. Improving the light bikes payload from 500 lb to 625 lb has to be worth an extra $600. Better would be improving the payload of the light sidecar by 50%.

I note specifically that bikes cannot improve their CHASSIS to increase load. This is a body mod like streamlining and sloping armor, we definitely allow those for bikes.

Does anyone recall any prohibition being imposed or have examples of CA bikes?
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Old 08-06-2019, 07:04 AM   #2
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Did you want any HC to go with your CA Frame bike? The Suspension cost goes up as well. (CWC2.5 p. 68, UACFH p. 156)

I don't make a lot of bikes in general, much less ones with CA Frames, so I don't have a good example for you. :/
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Old 08-06-2019, 11:12 AM   #3
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There's no limitation You can make trucks and choppers with CA frames too.

I've made more than a few with it. It's actually a good move for bikes IMO. And don't forget that it works for sidecars as well.
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Old 08-06-2019, 02:28 PM   #4
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My friend was a brilliant designer who recognized this years ago:

Pak 43 -- Heavy Cycle w/CA Frame, Light suspension, Small Cycle power plant w/SC, 10-pt CA (Power Plant), 2 Motorcycle Heavy-Duty Radial tires, Cyclist w/BA and 10-pt CA, Anti-Tank Gun Front w/10 shots HEAT, Plastic Armor: F8, B3, Acceleration 5, Top Speed 90, HC 1, 1299 lbs., $6132

He even drew a picture - basically the pic of an ATG in the 'yellow' Uncle Al with wheels and handlebars. It was hilarious.
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Old 08-06-2019, 04:29 PM   #5
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Did you want any HC to go with your CA Frame bike? The Suspension cost goes up as well. (CWC2.5 p. 68, UACFH p. 156)

I don't make a lot of bikes in general, much less ones with CA Frames, so I don't have a good example for you. :/
Same here -- what killed CA-frames in NOVA was the ruling "CA-frame affects Chassis and Suspension"; that effectively jacked the price of a car up at least two full Divisions, and for that much money, one could add enough firepower to cancel out any benefits of having the CA-frame in the first place. The only events where CA-frames appeared were in Racing events where the body type was not a Racing design.
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Old 08-06-2019, 04:38 PM   #6
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There's no limitation You can make trucks and choppers with CA frames too.
Hahahahhahhahhahahhahah! SPENDY!!!

$240K for an extra 1000lb lift, I was thinking $60K for 2050lb on a sleeper longnose was a bit stiff.
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Old 08-06-2019, 04:44 PM   #7
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Did you want any HC to go with your CA Frame bike? The Suspension cost goes up as well. (CWC2.5 p. 68, UACFH p. 156)

I don't make a lot of bikes in general, much less ones with CA Frames, so I don't have a good example for you. :/
But at least with bikes it is only suspension and it is the only way to increase capacity (and you can add HC with a cheap sidecar that doesn't need CA modification).

CA's big failing is that buying strengthened chassis generally gives more capacity at a far lower cost (and without the risk from collision). CA works best where the ratio of body weight to max load is out of whack (like the subcompact*) and/or the body cost is unusually low.

Hmmmm there is probably a fairly straightforward formula for that....


*Subcompacts also benefit from a good unmodified HC.

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Old 11-07-2019, 04:28 PM   #8
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Smaller Trailers also benefit from CA Frames , as they only have to worry about Chassis improvements & no Suspension ones .
( Having helped build two trailers at school , I can reasonably say that smaller Car Wars Trailers bodies are waaay overweight ... )

Case in point :

Irritator - Mini-Van Trailer w/CA Frame , X-Hvy Chassis , 2 PR Cycle Tires , Blow Through Concealed MG Back , Blow Through Concealed SD Back w/Extra Magazine & 20 Loads Explosive Spikes , Link MG-SD , Composite Metal/Plastic Armour : F 0/5 , L 0/12 , R 0/12 , B 5/25 , T 0/5 , U 0/5 , 2-3pt Wheel guards , 1,079lbs , $5,649 .
No one expects a Mini-Van to fight back ...

[ Nice to hook up to a Car with spare Power Factors to tow it , for that little extra rear defense . Cheap enough to blow an Explosive Hitch to ditch if necessary or to obstruct a road lane . Very annoying for Cycle Packs attacking from the back ... hence the name heh heh ;-) ]
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