Munchkins ahead ! ! !

LordHelmet · 05-09-2007, 11:27 AM

How would you build the ultimative warrior?

The guidline:
Creation:
Base starting Points: 100CP
Disadvatage Limit: -40CP (all negative-cost: sold-down attributes and secondary characteristics,
disadvantages; also no single disad with a cost of more than -40CP is allowed)
Quirk Limit: -5CP
Basic Attributes / Secondary Characteristics: Attributes within human limits e.g. HP may vary
by max +-30% of ST
Skills: No magical or psionic skill, No mental or musical influence skills
Base TL: 3
Base money: 1.000$ (Any form of "Wealth" and trading points for money is permitted.
ALL of the money can be spend on "adventuring" gear.)
Limitations:
-NO mental, exotic, supernatural, and NO social traits at all. Which means no traits marked as social and
nothing of Social Background (B22-25). (If I would just rule no "Allies" or no "Hight TL" I would
feel like kicking the guys who used it and proved real munchkins! So I decided to take a more general
approach.)
-All traits must be within human limits.
-Cinematic traits are allowed but must be combined with the most restrictive options

Please put in a short description of the tactics (maneuvers) the character will most probably use.

Fighting Place:
-Round Arena 20hex diameter surrounded by a wall (no escape)
-No obstacles, plain floor, normal light (no vision mod.), no wind
-Nothing in the arena but what you carry in

Combat regulations:
-start at opposing sides (18hex apart) of the arena with weapon ready
-one-on-one
-Best 2 out of 3 to win a match to advance to next round
-KO-system (the looser is out); opponents chosen by lot
-All wounds healed between rounds

Ruleset:
-Tactical Combat
-Turn Sequence by Speed

Optional Rules:
-Extra Effort in Combat (B357)
-Changing Posture in Armor (B395)
-Accumulated Wounds (B420)
-No Dirty Tricks (405) (although this would be really munchkiny)
-No cinematic combat rules (B417) except Dual-Weapon Attacks
-No FP lost DURING battle

I´m looking forward to your creativity.

kpram · 05-09-2007, 12:34 PM

How are you defining 'ultimate'? Able to beat all comers in melee? What are the starting conditions? The environment? The ultimate melee fighter for the plains isn't worth nearly so much when the arena is 100 feet below the surface of the ocean.

Master Sword-guy doesn't do so well in a jungle contest against Ninja Stealth guy, but he wins in a featureless arena.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts about the fighter build most likely to win (be the last one concious) in an arena battle, starting 4 hexes apart, with no light level penalties or other environmental weirdness.

LemmingLord · 05-09-2007, 01:14 PM

Grimlock
Atts 70
Ads 50
Disads -40
Quirks -5

St 17 (70)
Dx 10
Iq 8 (-40)
Ht 14 (40)

Hp 17
Wi 8
Pe 8
Fa 14

Combat Reflexes (15)
Destiny: Defeat All Challengers (15)
High Pain Threshold (10)
Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10)

Perfect Fabio Hair (1)

Bloodlust (-15)
Beserk (-15)
Obsession: Defeat All Challengers (-10)

Loves Flying Kites (-1)
Doesn't trust women or children (-1)
Poses (-1)
"Whatcha gonna do when Grimlock runs wild on you!!!" (-1)
Trademark Battlecry (-1)

Axe/Maxe (Pick) 24 16

LordHelmet · 05-09-2007, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpram

Able to beat all comers in melee?

Able to beat them all!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpram

I'd be interested in people's thoughts about the fighter build most likely to win (be the last one concious) in an arena battle, starting 4 hexes apart, with no light level penalties or other environmental weirdness.

Yes, I can perfectly go with this.

LordHelmet · 05-09-2007, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemmingLord

Grimlock
Atts 70
Ads 50
Disads -40
Quirks -5

St 17 (70)
Dx 10
Iq 8 (-40)
Ht 14 (40)

Hp 17
Wi 8
Pe 8
Fa 14

Combat Reflexes (15)
Destiny: Defeat All Challengers (15)
High Pain Threshold (10)
Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10)

Perfect Fabio Hair (1)

Bloodlust (-15)
Beserk (-15)
Obsession: Defeat All Challengers (-10)

Loves Flying Kites (-1)
Doesn't trust women or children (-1)
Poses (-1)
"Whatcha gonna do when Grimlock runs wild on you!!!" (-1)
Trademark Battlecry (-1)

Axe/Maxe (Pick) 24 16

Not bad! But couldn´t Grimlock be optimised by not buying ST17 but instead just Arm ST +7 for 21CP, saving 49CP! Some of this I would invest in speed.

LemmingLord · 05-09-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHelmet

Not bad! But couldn´t Grimlock be optimised by not buying ST17 but instead just Arm ST +7 for 21CP, saving 49CP! Some of this I would invest in speed.

Nice... Need to buy back up the hit points... Still leaves 35 points... How much speed can you buy with that?

Crispythemighty · 05-09-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemmingLord

Nice... Need to buy back up the hit points... Still leaves 35 points... How much speed can you buy with that?

+1.75 speed or +7 move or +1 speed AND +3 move

Kromm · 05-09-2007, 02:58 PM

Don't forget that disad limits in 4e include all negative-cost stuff: sold-down attributes and secondary characteristics, disadvantages, quirks, the whole nine yards. So it probably isn't kosher to take -40 in disads and reduce attributes. ;)

And Arm ST is explicitly Exotic . . . ;) ;)

LemmingLord · 05-09-2007, 04:19 PM

"Kromm Bring up good point."
"Grimlock Like Kromm."

Grimlock
Atts 20
Ads 55
Disads *
Quirks -5
Skills 30

St 16 (60)
Dx 10
Iq 7 (-60)
Ht 12 (20)

Hp 17
Wi 8
Pe 8
Fa 14

Fit (5)
Combat Reflexes (15)
Destiny: Defeat All Challengers (15)
High Pain Threshold (10)
Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10)

Perfect Fabio Hair (1)

Loves Flying Kites (-1)
"Grimlock Like Third Person Speaking!" (-1)
Poses (-1)
"What gonna do when Grimlock runs wild on you!!!" (-1)
Trademark Battlecry "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhh" (-1)

Axe/Mace (Pick) 24 16
Brawling 4 12
Off Weapon Training (Axe/Mace-Pick) 2 14 (Just in case he loses the one arm/hand)

kpram · 05-09-2007, 04:25 PM

What are you getting for
Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10)?

05-09-2007, 11:27 AM	#1
LordHelmet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Capital City, Germany	Munchkins ahead ! ! ! How would you build the ultimative warrior? The guidline: Creation: Base starting Points: 100CP Disadvatage Limit: -40CP (all negative-cost: sold-down attributes and secondary characteristics, disadvantages; also no single disad with a cost of more than -40CP is allowed) Quirk Limit: -5CP Basic Attributes / Secondary Characteristics: Attributes within human limits e.g. HP may vary by max +-30% of ST Skills: No magical or psionic skill, No mental or musical influence skills Base TL: 3 Base money: 1.000$ (Any form of "Wealth" and trading points for money is permitted. ALL of the money can be spend on "adventuring" gear.) Limitations: -NO mental, exotic, supernatural, and NO social traits at all. Which means no traits marked as social and nothing of Social Background (B22-25). (If I would just rule no "Allies" or no "Hight TL" I would feel like kicking the guys who used it and proved real munchkins! So I decided to take a more general approach.) -All traits must be within human limits. -Cinematic traits are allowed but must be combined with the most restrictive options Please put in a short description of the tactics (maneuvers) the character will most probably use. Fighting Place: -Round Arena 20hex diameter surrounded by a wall (no escape) -No obstacles, plain floor, normal light (no vision mod.), no wind -Nothing in the arena but what you carry in Combat regulations: -start at opposing sides (18hex apart) of the arena with weapon ready -one-on-one -Best 2 out of 3 to win a match to advance to next round -KO-system (the looser is out); opponents chosen by lot -All wounds healed between rounds Ruleset: -Tactical Combat -Turn Sequence by Speed Optional Rules: -Extra Effort in Combat (B357) -Changing Posture in Armor (B395) -Accumulated Wounds (B420) -No Dirty Tricks (405) (although this would be really munchkiny) -No cinematic combat rules (B417) except Dual-Weapon Attacks -No FP lost DURING battle I´m looking forward to your creativity. Last edited by LordHelmet; 05-17-2007 at 04:11 AM.

05-09-2007, 12:34 PM	#2
kpram Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA	Re: Munchkins ahead ! ! ! How are you defining 'ultimate'? Able to beat all comers in melee? What are the starting conditions? The environment? The ultimate melee fighter for the plains isn't worth nearly so much when the arena is 100 feet below the surface of the ocean. Master Sword-guy doesn't do so well in a jungle contest against Ninja Stealth guy, but he wins in a featureless arena. I'd be interested in people's thoughts about the fighter build most likely to win (be the last one concious) in an arena battle, starting 4 hexes apart, with no light level penalties or other environmental weirdness.

05-09-2007, 01:14 PM	#3
LemmingLord Join Date: Jul 2005	Re: Munchkins ahead ! ! ! Grimlock Atts 70 Ads 50 Disads -40 Quirks -5 St 17 (70) Dx 10 Iq 8 (-40) Ht 14 (40) Hp 17 Wi 8 Pe 8 Fa 14 Combat Reflexes (15) Destiny: Defeat All Challengers (15) High Pain Threshold (10) Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10) Perfect Fabio Hair (1) Bloodlust (-15) Beserk (-15) Obsession: Defeat All Challengers (-10) Loves Flying Kites (-1) Doesn't trust women or children (-1) Poses (-1) "Whatcha gonna do when Grimlock runs wild on you!!!" (-1) Trademark Battlecry (-1) Axe/Maxe (Pick) 24 16 Last edited by LemmingLord; 05-09-2007 at 01:22 PM.

05-09-2007, 02:58 PM	#8
Kromm *GURPS* Line Editor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Montréal, Québec	Re: Munchkins ahead ! ! ! Don't forget that disad limits in 4e include all negative-cost stuff: sold-down attributes and secondary characteristics, disadvantages, quirks, the whole nine yards. So it probably isn't kosher to take -40 in disads and reduce attributes. ;) And Arm ST is explicitly Exotic . . . ;) ;) __________________ Sean "Dr. Kromm" Punch <kromm@sjgames.com> *GURPS* Line Editor, Steve Jackson Games My DreamWidth [Just *GURPS* News]

05-09-2007, 04:19 PM	#9
LemmingLord Join Date: Jul 2005	Re: Munchkins ahead ! ! ! "Kromm Bring up good point." "Grimlock Like Kromm." Grimlock Atts 20 Ads 55 Disads * Quirks -5 Skills 30 St 16 (60) Dx 10 Iq 7 (-60) Ht 12 (20) Hp 17 Wi 8 Pe 8 Fa 14 Fit (5) Combat Reflexes (15) Destiny: Defeat All Challengers (15) High Pain Threshold (10) Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10) Perfect Fabio Hair (1) Loves Flying Kites (-1) "Grimlock Like Third Person Speaking!" (-1) Poses (-1) "What gonna do when Grimlock runs wild on you!!!" (-1) Trademark Battlecry "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhh" (-1) Axe/Mace (Pick) 24 16 Brawling 4 12 Off Weapon Training (Axe/Mace-Pick) 2 14 (Just in case he loses the one arm/hand)

05-09-2007, 04:25 PM	#10
kpram Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA	Re: Munchkins ahead ! ! ! What are you getting for Unusual Background: Ultimate Warrior (10)?