"Fight with levels only"

[ishinken]

2. Someone is fighting 2 monsters, one monster cannot be defeated with anything but your levels, the other one however does not. Does that mean you have to defeat both monsters levels with your level only?

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by ishinken

2. Someone is fighting 2 monsters, one monster cannot be defeated with anything but your levels, the other one however does not. Does that mean you have to defeat both monsters levels with your level only?

Yes, you have to defeat both monsters with your level only.

[devilcat]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

Yes, you have to defeat both monsters with your level only.

I would have thought the first monster would be levels only, and the 2nd normal bonuses apply. I'm assuming based on your opinion, that in the case of an elf penalty this would also apply to both monsters.

[RL]

Originally Posted by devilcat

I would have thought the first monster would be levels only, and the 2nd normal bonuses apply. I'm assuming based on your opinion, that in the case of an elf penalty this would also apply to both monsters.

Since you are fighting the combined level of the monsters, there is no way to fight one of them with levels only and another with levels and bonuses. Ditto for an Elf penalty (unless both monsters have an elf penalty, then you count both).

[homi]

Originally Posted by devilcat

I would have thought the first monster would be levels only, and the 2nd normal bonuses apply. I'm assuming based on your opinion, that in the case of an elf penalty this would also apply to both monsters.

How would you even calculate that? The winner of the fight is the total level/bonuses of the munchkin(s) vs the total level/bonuses of the monsters. You can't kill one monster separately from the other, so either you fight with only your levels against both, or not at all.

[StaticHamster]

Originally Posted by devilcat

I would have thought the first monster would be levels only, and the 2nd normal bonuses apply. I'm assuming based on your opinion, that in the case of an elf penalty this would also apply to both monsters.

I find it easier to think of a multiple monster fight as one monster. All the bonus' and penalties combat into a whole.

Same thing when you have someones help in combat.

Let's say you were in combat against a suped up "The Mighty Germ" and you are a Dwarf. You ask for another players help and they are a halfling; Halflings autokill the Mighty Germ...therefore its dead. Divide the treasure as you agreed.

And Andrew doesn't just have opinions....he's one of the people on here who can give official answers. What he says usually is the rule.

[Uzi4U]

Originally Posted by StaticHamster

Let's say you were in combat against a suped up "The Mighty Germ" and you are a Dwarf. You ask for another players help and they are a halfling; Halflings autokill the Mighty Germ...therefore its dead. Divide the treasure as you agreed.

right in this situation, what if another monster is helping the Mighty Germ? it's autokilled too? or it counts as charme ecc, so just the Germ goes away?

[StaticHamster]

Just the Mighty Germ is auto-killed, in certain instances I find it easier to treat two monsters as one monster, but they are still separate monsters. You can for instance only use the Wizards charm ability on one of them.

[HunterNBama]

Originally Posted by Uzi4U

right in this situation, what if another monster is helping the Mighty Germ? it's autokilled too? or it counts as charme ecc, so just the Germ goes away?

In this case, I believe The Might Germ is still autokilled by the halfling, but you still have to fight the second Monster according to normal rules. If I am correct, think of it as stepping on the Germ as you advance on the second Monster. Note that I said "I believe", not that I know for certain. MM or Andrew may change this.