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Old 09-23-2015, 07:21 AM   #21
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Default Re: [Ultra-Tech/Fantasy] The One Ring Invisibility vs. TL9 Hyperspectral Goggles?

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There is a large difference between invisibility that prevents you from being seen by the means of light reflecting of you and invisibility masking any light source you carry (did Frodo wear the ring while using galadriel's phial?).
No, but Bilbo did wield Sting while wearing the Ring. After Gollum passes him, he notices that his sword is glowing, and sheathes it. If Sting's light were visible, Gollum would have seen it. It must therefore be the case that Sting and its light were drawn into the spirit-world with Bilbo. He could see them, but Gollum couldn't.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:34 PM   #22
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There is a large difference between invisibility that prevents you from being seen by the means of light reflecting of you and invisibility masking any light source you carry (did Frodo wear the ring while using galadriel's phial?). It is very possible that someone wearing the ring would be plainly visible in the infrared spectrum.
Keep in mind that the light from the Phial is Light, it's the echo or captured light from a Silmaril. It's ultimate source is greater than the Ring.

According to the account of Isildur's death in the Unfinished Tales, the light from the original royal circlet of Arnor could also shine even when the Ring was worn.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:33 PM   #23
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Gollum was mentioned as being able to track food by smell and sense, in total darkness, allowing him to avoid the goblins and occasionally kill them for food (how he lost the ring in the first place).

Once Bilbo put the ring on Gollum could not track him, which means that not only does the ring make the wearer invisible, it retroactively hides anything they could have been tracked by (like a scent trail, and whatever other sense Gollum may have developed).
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:34 PM   #24
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Aragorn notes, for ex, that even Men (including Hobbits) have senses other than the physical. They can feel the Nazgul in the area. Frodo senses, while looking down at the old road from Minas Ithil to Osgiliath, that there is something down there, some kind of presence moving along the old road that is not material. Bearing the Ring can sharpen such senses, but they exist prior to it.
Mind you, that is a sense fairly ordinary men have not just Numenoreans or even Hobbits. Refugees are mentioned as passing down the road into Bree as a by the way in Lotr-and it is mentioned in Unfinished Tales that at least some of them were there, not because of any particular disturbance but because they had sensed the Nazgul coming.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:42 PM   #25
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Bad news guys, turns out the ring is one of them most powerful and subtle dimention-hopping artifacts in existence. Putting it on shifts you instantly and flawlessly to a specific other dimension and it probably has the power to do far more.

So yeah that's why Infinity, the Cabal, AND Centrum have teamed up to hunt us down.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:24 PM   #26
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Why must every organization be mind bogglingly suicidally stupid?

(Hey, these xenomorphs have exterminated whole species and every single group of humans that have ever faced it save one. I know; let's use it as a weapon and play with it. We're too awesome for history to repeat itself.)

The Ring is Satan's pitchfork. It's going back to hell even if you're holding it at the time.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:22 AM   #27
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Gollum was mentioned as being able to track food by smell and sense, in total darkness, allowing him to avoid the goblins and occasionally kill them for food (how he lost the ring in the first place).

Once Bilbo put the ring on Gollum could not track him, which means that not only does the ring make the wearer invisible, it retroactively hides anything they could have been tracked by (like a scent trail, and whatever other sense Gollum may have developed).
On the other hand, Isildur was tracked 'by scent and slot' .
Granted, the ring may have been uncooperative ...

The ring is magic and power given form, if the wearer is not to be seen, he will not be seen, regardless of the means.
But the ring is also malice and perversity ...
even if he does not betray the wearer, he will give enough hint so that the wearer can be tracked or pursued... but never caught, unless it fit the ring needs.

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Old 09-24-2015, 02:22 AM   #28
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On the other hand, Isildur was tracked 'by scent and slot' .
Granted, the ring may have been uncooperative ...

The ring is magic and power given form, if the wearer is not to be seen, he will not be seen, regardless of the means.
But the ring is also malice and perversity ...
even if he does not betray the wearer, he will give enough hint so that the wearer can be tracked or pursued... but never caught, unless it fit the ring needs.

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Isuldur's death has multiple variants though. I've read that the orcs saw the ripples in the water from his passing and that they shot him by scent.

Tolkein is frustratingly vague at some times.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:59 AM   #29
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ISTM that if the Ring is aware of these world-jumping, time-jumping adventurers its really not going to matter whether their hyper-spectral goggles can see Gollum with the ring on because the ring will deliberately slip off Gollum's finger in an attempt to be found by the clearly more-powerful adventurers.
Imagine the ring's surprise when trying to get in new wearer to return to it's master it finds itself umpteen quantum away! Not that that will stop it trying ton influence it's new bearer of course.

Ok serious answer.

this is narrative conflict (Tolkiens middle earth was not written with the Infinite worlds campaign in mind) so go with what's most fun.

My gut reaction is the ring is in setting more powerful then TL9 tech. So it trumps it.


What I would do is have the time travelling nazis mutter about the Der Ring des Nibelungen and Valkyries etc.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:00 AM   #30
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this is narrative conflict (Tolkiens middle earth was not written with the Infinite worlds campaign in mind) so go with what's most fun.
Very much this.

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My gut reaction is the ring is in setting more powerful then TL9 tech. So it trumps it.
I would go with slightly different likely: When at close to its power(on Middle Earth) is trumps technology... but in other places: no
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