Deceptive Disarm

[arnej]

So my fencer is trying to do a Disarm (B401). There are two steps - the basic attack, and a Quick Contest.

My question is, if I use Deceptive Attack, lowering my attack skill to make it harder to defend against, do those penalties also apply to the Quick Contest?

[kirbwarrior]

No, they are two different situations. In fact, Deceptive Attack is a way to do something that is already done in contests, so it would defeat the point.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

No, they are two different situations. In fact, Deceptive Attack is a way to do something that is already done in contests, so it would defeat the point.

Yes, RAW doesn't have a way to do this.

You can't just subtract two from the attacker and subtract one from the defender, because that would be a win for the defender.

Perhaps a feint followed by the disarm, with the defender having a penalty to the QC equal to that which the feint would give to the defense?

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

Yes, RAW doesn't have a way to do this.

You can't just subtract two from the attacker and subtract one from the defender, because that would be a win for the defender.

Perhaps a feint followed by the disarm, with the defender having a penalty to the QC equal to that which the feint would give to the defense?

Oh, what I meant is that what Deceptive Attack does is emulate something that Quick Contests already do and better. If you have high skill, your opponent is worse off. But when attacking, you need DA to get that effect.

[Plane]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

Perhaps a feint followed by the disarm, with the defender having a penalty to the QC equal to that which the feint would give to the defense?

You mean instead of, or in addition to?

In addition would seem to favor Feints over Deceptive Attacks. If resisting a QC counts as a defence for purposes of Feints then why not DA?

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Plane

You mean instead of, or in addition to?

In addition would seem to favor Feints over Deceptive Attacks. If resisting a QC counts as a defence for purposes of Feints then why not DA?

Because you use a DA to force a penalty on an opponent's defence. This doesn't work as well for a disarm. A disarm requires a successful hit on the weapon, plus a QC.

I suppose that the defenders penalty from the DA could be used as a penalty to the defender for the QC instead of their normal defence.

[Plane]

I wouldn't mind if it just counted as both, disarms happening more often would be cool.

Of course, in GURPS Technical Grappling, instead of the Quick Contest you can use "Break Free" attacks to reduce the Grip CP of someone's purchase on their handles, so I guess that would be similar to giving a 'damage bonus' too, which could be unbalanced.