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Old 08-26-2018, 12:52 PM   #1
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Default OR Reverse Trikes & OR Subs HC Questions ?

Right so a Trike with OR Suspension has a HC 2 on or Offroad ; A Rev Trike with OR Suspension has an HC of One higher - thus HC 3 on or Offroad .

So we take it that IF they have OR Tires on all three wheels , the HC will be one higher AGAIN Offroad ? Thus Rev Trike with OR Suspension & three OR Tires would have a HC of 3 on road & a HC Offroad of 4 , if we go by the rules text .
Some versions of CWC still have the 'Maximum HC is still 3' listed but this was superseded by CWC Rules Errata published in ADQ 8/2 : page 18 'Any reference in the second edition to a vehicle's maximum handling class being 3 is an error and should be ignored.
In 'real life' this probably wouldn't be the case , but let's face it Trikes often need all the help they can get ! ;-)

I've always thought of CW Trikes having a much lower profile & center of gravity than most 'modern day' Trikes - Robin Reliants & Regales , those 3 wheels you see in India and elsewhere ( and used to see in places like Italy about 35 years ago ) . Some Sporty modern Reverse Three Wheelers have very low silhouettes .

We've had heated emails from a 'person' who claims of our group 'were doing it wrong' and DEMANDING we change our vehicle design descriptions to 'fit his rules interpretation' ! As you can imagine we've poked fun at him & ignored his communications .

Just wanted to see how others regard these Rules & any problems with interpretating them ?

Also if Subcompacts with OR Suspension & four OR Tires can have OR HCs of 4 , we can't see why the much more useful & flexible Rev Trike Bodies can't have that advantage as well ?
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:36 PM   #2
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those 3 wheels you see in India and elsewhere
Auto-rickshaw, or "Tuktuk".

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Just wanted to see how others regard these Rules & any problems with interpretating them ?
For my part: I also allow the +1 to HC for Rev. Trikes and Subs onto the OR Suspension and Tires. As noted: They need all the aid they can get. (But then: I never understood the cap on HC anyway. :) )
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:29 PM   #3
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Ah yes Tuktuks ! Never connected that name to them .

And at the other end of the scale , the very sporty Polaris Slingshot :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Slingshot

TV's Scrapheap Challenge spin off 'Scrappy Races' , had a Reverse Trike with a highly mobile rear wheel & an almost zero turning circle . I'd like to see that as Rev Trike option or the ability to turn like a Boat at low speeds if required ? Just an idea anyway ...
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:09 PM   #4
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Default Re: OR Reverse Trikes & OR Subs HC Questions ?

First explain the difference between a 'light' and 'heavy' suspension...

BTW trikes don't take U damage OR so they really don't need an OR suspension - OR tires are enough
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Old 08-27-2018, 03:22 AM   #5
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If a normal Trike or Reverse Trike go Offroad , they suffer a -1 to HC . Minimal compared to -3 HC for Cars & -2 HC for Cycles or Oversized Vehicles , but still significant if your moving fast ?
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If a normal Trike or Reverse Trike go Offroad , they suffer a -1 to HC . Minimal compared to -3 HC for Cars & -2 HC for Cycles or Oversized Vehicles , but still significant if your moving fast ?
And the Ds pile up fast off-road -- to start with: Every maneuver is +D1.
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Old 09-03-2018, 04:33 AM   #7
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Go straight.

Un-modified suspension makes your trikes far more affordable. OR doesn't impose +1D to hazard, so with HD shocks you can iron out the minor bumps and weapon hits.

Then you can concentrate on the maneuvers. The ideal solution is to choose your path carefully and drive straight ;)

If you are using an unmodified chassis it is probably because you intend to spend much of your time on normal roads. OR tires save you the cumulative damage from debris and allow emergency forays off-road.

For example, my trike/bike bandits will start off road concealed behind some scrub cover pointing up-road (with a clear path between them and the road).

When their spotter signals them they will accelerate to match the speed of their target. With HTMs they can easily attain ACC 10-20 and get there in a few seconds. All this time they are still in cover.

By the time the enemy can draw a bead, the trikes will be running parallel (no speed mods to hit). They can bring 4-8 spaces of weapons to bear (side plus front arc) and generally with no range modifier.

You can then do a quick pair of D3+1 bends and head back off-road again (maybe firing off the other side arc). If you plan it right, you might even get to do the D3's on road. Plan it really well and you will be getting full speed modifiers for any return fire.

I will often have 3 volleys of 12 mini rockets for giggles. I have also driven straight across a carriageway from a side road (cutting the line of a convoy) fired off three volleys and escaped off-road on the other side without making any maneuvers at all (taking out one of the escorts in the process).

The principle downside of a OR reversed trike is that your best fire arc is to the rear. I cannot imagine that you would want to set up for a stern chase off-road where you would be better off doing the chasing in a regular trike.

But for the record I agree that the +1 for OR tires is cumulative with any other OR mods. They are optional and therefore have to have a benefit for the additional cost/weight.

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Old 09-05-2018, 09:02 AM   #8
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Un-modified suspension makes your trikes far more affordable. OR doesn't impose +1D to hazard, so with HD shocks you can iron out the minor bumps and weapon hits.

The principle downside of a OR reversed trike is that your best fire arc is to the rear. I cannot imagine that you would want to set up for a stern chase off-road where you would be better off doing the chasing in a regular trike.
In my mind the HC bonus of a Reverse Trike isn't worth the sacrifice in space and firing arcs. Is it agreed that a regular trike with OR tires and HD shocks is a better bet for a chase vehicle?
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In my mind the HC bonus of a Reverse Trike isn't worth the sacrifice in space and firing arcs. Is it agreed that a regular trike with OR tires and HD shocks is a better bet for a chase vehicle?
For a pursuit unit: Yes. That's not to say the Reverse Trike doesn't have its uses; put a rev-trike *in front* of someone, and watch the fireworks (the _Flame Arrow_ and its variants from _VG2_, for ex.)
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Old 09-05-2018, 05:55 PM   #10
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Another advantage is that almost all Trikes are under 4,000lbs & that makes them easily Air Droppable with a Single Vehicular Parachute . Extremely handy for Military type scenarios .
AND even a Medium Reverse Trike has 5 Spaces to use for Weapons/Equipment - unless Gas Powered , a Compact only has 4 Spaces .
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