05-18-2010, 08:09 AM | #11 |
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05-18-2010, 08:19 AM | #12 |
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There's a pretty broad range of remnant personalities, in that they could be the homeless guy who mutters to himself on the side of the street, or they could be Michaelangelo (a rumor noted in the Eli supplement, IIRC). Either way, though, the rules specify that Perception-based resonances return no result on them. If you try to check someone for honor/truth/emotion etc. and you get no data back, you're most likely either hitting (a) a remnant, (b) someone with the Ethereal Song of Shields, or (c) a Superior!
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A GM who rules otherwise does open the door for Princes "scooping out the soul" of a captive angel, replacing the Forces so there's an amnesiac/partial amnesiac angel, and trying to condition it to do the Prince's bidding. Personally, I'd save that for a plot McGuffin. Quote:
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05-18-2010, 10:40 AM | #14 | |
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In some plots, a remnant might also be kind of like the "black box" from a crashed airplane, rather than the plane itself. The plane is gone, but mining the wreckage for information (e.g., by transplanting Ethereal Forces) can tell you a bit how the plane fell apart... |
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05-18-2010, 03:00 PM | #16 |
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Is there a way to know if it was an angel or a demon?
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05-18-2010, 03:10 PM | #17 |
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Oddly, they do actually keep their attunements, so if you see one doing something that ONLY a Servitor of such-and-such could do, that might be the best clue. Otherwise, I'd imagine the only way you could really tell would be mining the memories left in their Forces. (Which might not require transplanting them, if the GM decides the Ethereal Song of Draining still works on them.)
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05-24-2010, 03:55 PM | #18 |
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A Superior could probably tell which the Remnant was. Or if it was an ethereal remnant!
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05-30-2010, 07:49 AM | #20 | |
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1) Since the Remnant itself doesn't remember what it was (or even that it was ever Celestial), interrogation won't do much except provide a frustrating afternoon. 2) In the case of determining if a Remnant was an angel or demon, the best "physical evidence" is liable to be any old attunements they still have and use, as mentioned earlier. (The best example being the Creation Remnant turning a bottle of water into wine, in the vignette found in the main rules.) Physically, their vessels look and act the same as anyone else's. And they can't take celestial form, so that identifier is out. 3) Physical documents and witnesses are possible if the celestial was made into a Remnant fairly recently, but may be hard to come by. You have to establish what its Role was, who else knew it in that Role, which of those people would have known its secret identity, and whether it had left behind any files, artifacts or other telltales that hinted at the truth. So classic detective work has its place. But a would-be Sherlock may have his work cut out for him.
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