Lecherousness & Bisexuality

[Kfireblade]

Should a Bi character with Lecherousness get more points for the disadvantage? It dose seem it would be a bigger disadvantage for them.

[mehrkat]

Not from my perspective. You hit on the most attractive person around that suits your taste. It's still hitting on one character.

[Astromancer]

Lecherousness and Xenophilla and, as someone on these forums said, you've got Jack Harkness.

[Kfireblade]

Originally Posted by Astromancer

Lecherousness and Xenophilla and, as someone on these forums said, you've got Jack Harkness.

That's actually absolutely the idea for the character that's got me asking this question.

[Mark Skarr]

Originally Posted by Kfireblade

That's actually absolutely the idea for the character that's got me asking this question.

And that character is getting points back for both Lecherousness and for Xenophilia.

[whswhs]

Depending on the culture, bisexuality might be a quirk.

[Kfireblade]

Originally Posted by mehrkat

Not from my perspective. You hit on the most attractive person around that suits your taste. It's still hitting on one character.

That's not an accurate of what should be happening with the disadvantage at all though.

"Make a self-control roll whenever you have more than
the briefest contact with an appealing
member of the sex you find
attractive – at -5 if this person is
Handsome/Beautiful, or at -10 if Very
Handsome/Very Beautiful. If you fail,
you must make a “pass”

[Flyndaran]

Standards adjust to one's surroundings. So I don't think the disadvantage must increase or decrease in value because of one's optimal preferences assuming large enough groups.

[Plane]

Originally Posted by Kfireblade

That's not an accurate of what should be happening with the disadvantage at all though.

"more than the briefest contact" could sure use some elaboration though

as could "an appealing member". Given the -5 for handsome/beautiful perhaps the baseline requires "attractive" advantage, and you're not obligated to hit on average (0-point) attractive chars?

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

It's the same disadvantage.
While they've doubled their chances of rejection, they've also doubled their chances of acceptance.
It all evens out in the wash.

The problem with lecherousness isn't whether you're rejected/accepted but rather being obligated to hit on people in situations where it might not be opportune to do so.

Even if you're not a lech you can still hit on people when it IS opportune.

As far as I'm concerned, "androphilia" and "gynephilia" are quirks (mechanically there's no defined upside, just that you can be manipulated by a gender) so since bisexuality is BOTH it's like -2. If we assume that a monosexual genderphilia is assumed by default then bisexuality should only be -1.

Power-Ups 6 pg 26 has "Alternative Sexuality" quirk for "out" people as a minor version of social stigma, but that's basically reputation-wise, not relevant to characters who don't have reputations.

Pretence (pg 33) is for closeted, a form of "Trivial Secret", but that still doesn't cover the suceptability to being seduced by 2 sexes instead of 1. If there were an alien species with 3 sexes then being trisexual might be -2, and if there were six genders then liking them all would probably be a -5?

The only way I can think for it to always balance out to 0 would be if you had some kind of inherent penalty to seduce people who you weren't attracted to. Basically if being attracted to someone had benefits (like +1 to influence them) to balance out the drawbacks (-1 to resist influence from them) or however that works.

[Mark Skarr]

Originally Posted by Kfireblade

Should a Bi character with Lecherousness get more points for the disadvantage? It dose seem it would be a bigger disadvantage for them.

Not really, no. It's the same disadvantage. While they've doubled their chances of rejection, they've also doubled their chances of acceptance. It all evens out in the wash.

Kleptomania doesn't go up in points in a TL7+ game due to the increased availability of goods compared to TL3. Compulsive Liar doesn't go up in points due to the size of the party.

If you were to rebuild Lecherousness based more on the Sense of Duty disadvantage, an argument could be made for it. But, as it stands, bi characters don't get, or need, any modifier to Lecherousness.