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Old 11-25-2016, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default Urban Survival for Campfires Indoors?

I feel like GURPS made a note of this use of the skill... but I can't find it anywhere!
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:26 PM   #2
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Urban Survival ought to tell you that it's a bad idea to have a fire indoors unless you have a properly constructed chimney. CO2, CO, and smoke aren't something you want to confine in your room to breathe repeatedly.
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Old 11-25-2016, 09:41 PM   #3
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Even if it isn't in the RAW anywhere I'd allow it. Trashcans fires are a staple of the Urban Survivalist.
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Old 11-25-2016, 09:42 PM   #4
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Urban Survival ought to tell you that it's a bad idea to have a fire indoors unless you have a properly constructed chimney. CO2, CO, and smoke aren't something you want to confine in your room to breathe repeatedly.
Yes exactly! And I feel like I've seen that example in an official GURPS book! O:
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Old 11-25-2016, 10:24 PM   #5
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I think building a fire indoors uses Housekeeping/TL1-6.
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Old 11-25-2016, 11:27 PM   #6
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I think building a fire indoors uses Housekeeping/TL1-6.
Another good choice, I've got that skill as well.
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Old 11-26-2016, 03:37 AM   #7
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Urban Survival ought to tell you that it's a bad idea to have a fire indoors unless you have a properly constructed chimney. CO2, CO, and smoke aren't something you want to confine in your room to breathe repeatedly.
Until you remember the chimney is a fairly recent invention in the scheme of things and an expensive luxury for people living in abject poverty today. Without a chimney people simply put a hole in the ceiling above the fire.

I read somewhere that in the developing world lung cancer from breathing wood smoke is a common cause of early death.
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Old 11-26-2016, 05:07 AM   #8
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For thousands of years an indoor fire involved nothing but an open stone hearth in the middle of the room. Any roof made from organic material did not have a smoke hole. The smoke simply filtered up through the thatching. Experiments have showed that a smoke hole acts to draw embers up high enough to set these roofs on fire.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:07 AM   #9
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I think building a fire indoors uses Housekeeping/TL1-6.
I will refrain from scoffing and saying 'city-folk', but I tend my TL-8 pellet stove daily; starting fires, cleaning, etc, to keep the house warm. A large portion of individuals who live in rural areas in north america supplements there heat with some sort of biomass burning, as the combination of high cost for deliverable heat options (fuel oil, propane, and rural electricity) coupled with the lack of heat retention due to higher exposure to wind translates to a strong desire to use the cheapest methods of heat, and biomass is cheap

Since its part of regular household maintenance activity I would assume its part of TL8 housekeeping; possibly with the specialization of 'urban', but even in city having a high efficiency wood fireplace is not unheard of.

As well, from early to mid TL7 cooking indoors where natural gas lines were not available was still a 'put wood in stove' scenario (even in the 1970s indoor wood stoves for cooking were a thing)
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I will refrain from scoffing and saying 'city-folk', but I tend my TL-8 pellet stove daily; starting fires, cleaning, etc, to keep the house warm. A large portion of individuals who live in rural areas in north america supplements there heat with some sort of biomass burning, as the combination of high cost for deliverable heat options (fuel oil, propane, and rural electricity) coupled with the lack of heat retention due to higher exposure to wind translates to a strong desire to use the cheapest methods of heat, and biomass is cheap

Since its part of regular household maintenance activity I would assume its part of TL8 housekeeping; possibly with the specialization of 'urban', but even in city having a high efficiency wood fireplace is not unheard of.

As well, from early to mid TL7 cooking indoors where natural gas lines were not available was still a 'put wood in stove' scenario (even in the 1970s indoor wood stoves for cooking were a thing)
Have you considered the counterpoint that people today who are using biomass-powered heat sources are not making use of TL8 Housekeeping, but TL6/7 instead?
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