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Re: WWII: 40mm Autocannon VS tanks?
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06-02-2016, 02:47 AM | #12 | ||
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The main issues with AA guns is it has to fire fast rounds quickly to cover the long distance from the ground to your aerial target and have a chance of hitting them. The famous '88' started life as an AA gun, it's just firing a high velocity round with long effective range is good for antitank work as well (if you put a AP etc round on it) Quote:
not quite sure what you mean by 'might'. WW2 tanks were quite happily knocked out by planes with cannon in WW2 without having to be parked in garages? Imagine a bunch of those German 37mm cannon flying around overhead of Shermans at (Dmg 7dx4(2) pi++). with a 2d [2d] cr ex follow up vs. top deck DR50 and HP 158. Or even the turret where the crew gets that enclosed 2d [2d] hit which isn't much of a consolation prize after nervously watching the GM roll on the "damage to occupants table" for what's left of the 7dx4(2) pi++ once it got through the DR70 turret roof! There's a reason why we were rather happy to have air superiority! Last edited by Tomsdad; 06-02-2016 at 08:17 AM. |
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06-02-2016, 03:14 AM | #13 | |
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But yeah, planes with cannon killed tanks. And, to re-iterate, early-war armor had a lot less protection sometimes. I did some work statting the protection of the T-26, for instance. That thing wouldn't stand up for long to an M2HB firing ball rounds, never mind an autocannon throwing AP.
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06-02-2016, 03:22 AM | #14 | ||
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True (although since such rounds did exist for similar cannons, i.e. such a thing is possible) Quote:
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06-02-2016, 03:29 AM | #15 | ||
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06-02-2016, 05:59 AM | #16 | |
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06-02-2016, 06:21 AM | #17 | |
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There's a very big difference between shooting at the front or side armor of a tank, and shooting at the top armor. (Also, never bothering with the lower-performing APEX shells would have helped.)
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06-02-2016, 07:12 AM | #18 |
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Re: WWII: 40mm Autocannon VS tanks?
Also they made that giant rifle grenade for the PAK 36 which apparently could pretty much wreck anything if you could get it to hit.
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06-02-2016, 07:23 AM | #19 | |
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7dx4 (2) is stopped on average by DR196, and if your just relying on penetration to do damage lower DRs will still stop a lot of the damage. Interesting point about the lower performing APEX, HT has their penetration as the same as the APHC, both at 7dx4 (2) and the follow up on the APEX is a bonus, do we need an errata here you think? Last edited by Tomsdad; 06-02-2016 at 07:44 AM. |
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06-02-2016, 07:44 AM | #20 |
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Re: WWII: 40mm Autocannon VS tanks?
The old Avalon Hill wargame Tobruk (1942, African desert, individual vehicles or infantry squads) included the Bofors 40mm AA gun. It was a fearsome anti-tank weapon in that game because of the rate of fire. The combat system was quite simulationist, obsessed with armor values and round penetration, and had a chart for detailed hit location on a tank (tracks, hull, etc) including a small chance to hit the turret ring between the hull and the turret. This occurred on a 2d6 location roll of 12, so a 1-in-36 chance to hit the turret ring, which would kill just about any tank. And while the Bofors penetration was not remarkable, it did have RoF 40. So odds were if you shot at a tank, you'd kill it.
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