09-23-2016, 06:59 AM | #111 |
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And lest people forget the dungeon is just a maze with rooms stacked in multiple levels. What goes in those rooms is completely up to the referee. In the hands of one person it could be a utterly serious epic quest, in the hands of another a gonzo romp through Wonderland. The dungeon has the virtue of being simple to explain and very flexible at the same time.
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As to the 'tone' of DF, I think thats fairly broad among the authors. I know theres been alot said in this thread about it, but try not to take such things personally. For cross genre comparison, people are going to point at Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, Firefly and might call them 'silly' or 'immature' or 'implausible' or 'sexist' or 'racist' or a host of other things*. Dont let this slow you down or change your game in the slightest. The fact that Star Trek might be percieved as 'silly' by some for FTL travel, subspace, all absorbing Federation, Kirks Romancing Aliens, etc etc etc doesnt mean that show didnt do GREAT things and have wonderful social impact AND commentary in a serious and tangible way. Similar things can be said about Star Wars, BSG yadda yadda yadda yadda. Have your fun. Tell Epic stories. Tell high minded allegories of the Gulf of Tonkin if you like, all the while having pointy eared people drink Tang in square glasses. When people tell you how 'silly' or 'unbelievable' it is, disregard. You know your table, you know your players, you know your story and you and your players get the message and intent. Thats all that really matters. Can you do that in DF? Of COURSE you can. You know it might be worthwhile to have a thread devoted to this topic. Play on and have fun. Nymdok *Indeed, pick virtually any slice of culture, take it to Tumblr and wait 10 seconds. Someone will be triggered and launch into a long diatribe about how its a slice of human evil. |
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Since contemporary thought (I also mentioned it), which is monistic, doesn't acknowledge but a single order of reality, it routinely folds and squashes anagogy, analogy and symbol into metaphor and allegory, like if they were synonymous even if they aren't. Incidentally, fantasy notions, which commonly are also symbols, have an unsurpassable potential for anagogy. Edit: here is a small example of it with Holy Warriors and Fallen Angels from the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game Discussion Thread.
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09-23-2016, 01:48 PM | #115 | |
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The 'discouraging reaction' is also irrelevant to you. Gnome (and others) have agreed with you. There are as many ways to play this game as there are people that play it and there are those for whom DF means something different. Dont for a minute think that the opinions of the vocal members of these fora are reflected in the larger population of GURPS players, its writers, or the RPG industry as a whole. They are people with opinions (different from yours) who are sharing with you how they see and play the game. Do with that information as you see fit. Speak (type) your piece and be heard here, others of like mind will find you. The differences between such things and how they apply to DF, GURPS, RPGs or stories in general would be a great topic.....for another thread I think :) I only brought it up because it was a socialy relevant, serious, epsiode of Star Trek (The Enterprise Incident). Just an example of something arguably 'silly' doing a great job doing something 'serious'. Nymdok Last edited by Nymdok; 09-23-2016 at 01:53 PM. |
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09-23-2016, 02:29 PM | #116 |
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I think we may have a breakdown of communications here. "Silly", in GURPS parlance, does not necessarily mean "ridiculous". It has more to do with it not being realistic. And whatever else High Fantasy may be, it's not realistic (at least not the physics of it - it can be psychologically realistic).
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Well, not really. I know that take, which was originated in another discussion (by forumnites thinking of sci-fi as "realistic"), and already answered to it above. If that were actually the case, "silly" would be applicable to most roleplaying genres, and not specially to DF, like certain people wants to do.
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While ignoring certain implications may match with game design concerns like simplifying things, there are zones in ancient myth, fairy tales and related fantasy in which the usual and rationalistic verisimilitude falls into a second plane, and some abstractions that DF does provide space for it.
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