All the howitzers

[ianargent]

Upon further though, I think the availability of the 6e counter set and the soon-to-be available Ogre Reinforcements set will be better for me than a whole new ODE counter set.

You still get +4 in the HWZ department for PE (I suspect the Reinforcements set will have less than that for the NAC, esp since it'll have the MHWZ for both factions).

(Though the "ample supply of basic infantry and armor" comment on the back cover copy of the Reinforcements back aimed at ODE owners makes me giggle in light of the discussion here. Clearly we don't think we have an "ample supply" :) )

[cedric18]

Originally Posted by wolf90

You might find an extra set of counters more cost-effective. Obviously you will get more trains, and howitzers, and Ogres, but you will get more of the other units as well.

D.

I did this just to increase my number of NAC and PE conventional units. I ended up selling off some of the other sheets and gave away the remaining ones on BGG in a lottery.

[selenite]

The only unit I ever run short of is HVYs. I was drafting some Vatican Guard HVYs to supplement my Mk V defense on Saturday. MSLs I have plenty of.

[ianargent]

Originally Posted by selenite

The only unit I ever run short of is HVYs. I was drafting some Vatican Guard HVYs to supplement my Mk V defense on Saturday. MSLs I have plenty of.

In the ODE box you have 8 PE HVY's and another 8 "Belgian" HVYs. Nightfall adds another 3 on their "civilian" sheet (B5). The relative balance of GEV to HVY (there are as many or more GEVs than HVYs for all factions but the Belgians, even discounting the distortion of the ARF and the ACD, neither of whom have any HVYs) is a little weird. All of the ODE factions get enough GEVs to run a "Fuzzy-Wuzzy" Mk.III defense force, but only NAC and BR get enough HVY's to be able to run a "pure HVY" Mk.III defense force.

6e has more GEVs than HVYs as well, but it's not as large a discrepancy (12/10/10 GEV/HVY/MSL)

Fascinating.

[GranitePenguin]

Originally Posted by ianargent

The relative balance of GEV to HVY (there are as many or more GEVs than HVYs for all factions but the Belgians, even discounting the distortion of the ARF and the ACD, neither of whom have any HVYs) is a little weird.

<bias>That's because GEVs are awesome.</bias>

Actually, it's more likely because of the GEVs history in the game. Especially when you look at things like Breakthrough and Raid, there's a very real need for being GEV-heavy on the counters (potentially 16 GEVs on the attacking side alone). Even though the name on the box is Ogre, G.E.V. is firmly planted in the core of the game.

[HeatDeath]

Originally Posted by GranitePenguin

Even though the name on the box is Ogre, G.E.V. is firmly planted in the core of the game.

After all, what's an Imperial Walker without a swarm of Snowspeeders?

[ianargent]

Originally Posted by GranitePenguin

<bias>That's because GEVs are awesome.</bias>

Actually, it's more likely because of the GEVs history in the game. Especially when you look at things like Breakthrough and Raid, there's a very real need for being GEV-heavy on the counters (potentially 16 GEVs on the attacking side alone). Even though the name on the box is Ogre, G.E.V. is firmly planted in the core of the game.

GEV is on the front of one of the boxes. That does explain a lot; thanks. I own a lot of GEV stuff, but never played a whole lot of it.

Always with the tradeoffs

[rjg173]

Originally Posted by ianargent

In the ODE box you have 8 PE HVY's and another 8 "Belgian" HVYs. Nightfall adds another 3 on their "civilian" sheet (B5). The relative balance of GEV to HVY (there are as many or more GEVs than HVYs for all factions but the Belgians, even discounting the distortion of the ARF and the ACD, neither of whom have any HVYs) is a little weird. All of the ODE factions get enough GEVs to run a "Fuzzy-Wuzzy" Mk.III defense force, but only NAC and BR get enough HVY's to be able to run a "pure HVY" Mk.III defense force.

6e has more GEVs than HVYs as well, but it's not as large a discrepancy (12/10/10 GEV/HVY/MSL)

Fascinating.

When referring to "Belgian" HVYs, if you mean the units on the B2 sheet, as the sponsor of the sheet I can state there are NO Belgian HVYs. The only Belgian units are the LGEVs, GEVs and the cruise missiles. The other units come from other European countries.

[ianargent]

Originally Posted by rjg173

When referring to "Belgian" HVYs, if you mean the units on the B2 sheet, as the sponsor of the sheet I can state there are NO Belgian HVYs. The only Belgian units are the LGEVs, GEVs and the cruise missiles. The other units come from other European countries.

My apologies - they're all listed as "belgian" on the inventory sheet I snarfed off BGG some time ago; I was aware that only the listed units were using the Belgian colors; hence the use of scare quotes when I remembered. I suppose I could have called them "multinational."

[selenite]

Originally Posted by ianargent

In the ODE box you have 8 PE HVY's and another 8 "Belgian" HVYs.

I should merge the Belgian/Thirdforce counters in with the PEs. They're impossible to tell apart in normal lighting anyway.

The lack of HVYs doesn't bother me in non-Ogre games. SHVYs take over their role anywhere outside range of Ogre missiles.