Quick shotgun question.

Kingmaker · 12-28-2009, 09:54 PM

I'm playing in a friends very well run zombie campaign and have a quick question about shotgun pellets, I understand that a shotgun at very short range does damage differently, and that it's 1/2 x number of pellets times pellet damage.

I'm wondering if the damage for this type remains Pi- when it's treated as a single blast. Not saying it's unrealistic to treat it as such, it just has the unfortunate effect of making shotguns poor zombie slayers as the damage divisor for unliving makes the shotgun even at point blank do virtually no damage.

Gold & Appel Inc · 12-28-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingmaker

I'm playing in a friends very well run zombie campaign and have a quick question about shotgun pellets, I understand that a shotgun at very short range does damage differently, and that it's 1/2 x number of pellets times pellet damage.

Yes. You also multiply the target's DR by the same amount.

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Originally Posted by Kingmaker

I'm wondering if the damage for this type remains Pi- when it's treated as a single blast. Not saying it's unrealistic to treat it as such, it just has the unfortunate effect of making shotguns poor zombie slayers as the damage divisor for unliving makes the shotgun even at point blank do virtually no damage.

Depends on your zombies. Note that zombies who have Injury Tolerance: Unliving do not automatically get IT: No Vitals or IT: No Brain, and that a Pi- gunshot to those locations gets its full x3 or x4 bonus after DR, so shooting zombies who have and need brains (eg: Romero-style) in the Skull hit location will drop them exactly as easily as it drops a Human, all else being equal.

Phoenix_Dragon · 12-28-2009, 10:43 PM

Also note that shotguns doing pi- is actually a mistake, they're supposed to be straight-up pi.

Green-Neck · 12-28-2009, 11:08 PM

IIRC 3rd ed. used pi- for shoties. you may be caught in some kind of time paradox.

vicky_molokh · 12-29-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Green-Neck

IIRC 3rd ed. used pi- for shoties. you may be caught in some kind of time paradox.

3e didn't have any pi damage at all.

~~Ragitsu~~ · 12-29-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix_Dragon

Also note that shotguns doing pi- is actually a mistake, they're supposed to be straight-up pi.

Sadly something that keeps getting mentioned even five years later :-(.

Luke Bunyip · 12-29-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Molokh

3e didn't have any pi damage at all.

Greenneck could be caught in a dimensional paradox. Which is scary, given he literally lives on the far side the ridge from me.

Kuroshima · 12-29-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Molokh

3e didn't have any pi damage at all.

No, it had cr-, cr+ and cr++. In 4th ed, they evolved to the different flavors of pi, to differentiate them further from cr attacks.

Phoenix_Dragon · 12-29-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragitsu

Sadly something that keeps getting mentioned even five years later :-(.

Well of course, it says pi- in the book, so it's understandable that people would think that's what it's supposed to be.

vicky_molokh · 12-29-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuroshima

No, it had cr-, cr+ and cr++. In 4th ed, they evolved to the different flavors of pi, to differentiate them further from cr attacks.

Frankly, I don't remember shotguns doing cr- either. But it was a long time ago.

12-28-2009, 09:54 PM	#1
Kingmaker Join Date: Jan 2005	Quick shotgun question. I'm playing in a friends very well run zombie campaign and have a quick question about shotgun pellets, I understand that a shotgun at very short range does damage differently, and that it's 1/2 x number of pellets times pellet damage. I'm wondering if the damage for this type remains Pi- when it's treated as a single blast. Not saying it's unrealistic to treat it as such, it just has the unfortunate effect of making shotguns poor zombie slayers as the damage divisor for unliving makes the shotgun even at point blank do virtually no damage.

12-28-2009, 10:43 PM	#3
Phoenix_Dragon Join Date: Apr 2005	Re: Quick shotgun question. Also note that shotguns doing pi- is actually a mistake, they're supposed to be straight-up pi.

12-28-2009, 11:08 PM	#4
Green-Neck Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fryers Forest Australia	Re: Quick shotgun question. IIRC 3rd ed. used pi- for shoties. you may be caught in some kind of time paradox. __________________ A fine blend of hillbilly and permaculturist.