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Old 02-22-2018, 10:28 PM   #1
Steve Jackson
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I must have known this once, but I forgot.

I buffed goblins considerably when I wrote ITL. In Melee and Wizard they are min ST and DX of only 4, with a point total of 18.

In ITL, they have min ST 6 and DX 8 and IQ 10, with 6 points to spend, for a point total of 30.

I'm going to let the latest published book rule here, and revise Melee and Wizard accordingly.
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Old 02-22-2018, 10:42 PM   #2
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Obviously goblins are a diverse race and there are larger and smaller varieties to be found owing to environment and climate as much as genetics, as such, I say use both, possibly renaming the smaller ones to gobbits or some such.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:10 PM   #3
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I must have known this once, but I forgot.

I buffed goblins considerably when I wrote ITL. In Melee and Wizard they are min ST and DX of only 4, with a point total of 18.

In ITL, they have min ST 6 and DX 8 and IQ 10, with 6 points to spend, for a point total of 30.

I'm going to let the latest published book rule here, and revise Melee and Wizard accordingly.
I suspect the original Goblin was designed as cannon-fodder for mob attacks. The later ones seemed more designed as playable characters. I think your choice is a good one here.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:29 AM   #4
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I played a goblin character once. Never again. The mental stress of having to continuously edit my own speech to make sure I never lied was excruciating. I was always having to find other ways to say, "I'm sure he didn't mean to be rude," etc. and that was fun for about 3% of how long I played him.
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:20 AM   #5
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I loved the way the goblins were depicted in ITL.
also I think that PCs should be allowed to play goblins (or ocs).

hobgoblins and snotlings ( perhaps the goblins of Melee/Wizard ?) should be considered racial variants, having different ST and less IQ than goblins, actually at sub-human level.

Hence these should not be suitable races for heroes*.

* I realize that it's a racist post, sorry! :-)))
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Old 02-23-2018, 11:09 AM   #6
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I loved the way the goblins were depicted in ITL.
also I think that PCs should be allowed to play goblins (or ocs).

hobgoblins and snotlings ( perhaps the goblins of Melee/Wizard ?) should be considered racial variants, having different ST and less IQ than goblins, actually at sub-human level.

Hence these should not be suitable races for heroes*.

* I realize that it's a racist post, sorry! :-)))
"Snotlings" -- I like it! ;-)
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Old 02-23-2018, 11:34 AM   #7
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Sounds good! Perhaps add a few more low-ST weapons so they have more options?

Also, I like my hobgoblins to be a bit rough and tumble, more like a rugged orc and less like the hopeless patsies in ITL. Maybe use that name to stat out some kind of Uruk-Hai/Bugbear class goblin-y fellows? e.g., ST 10 , DX 8, IQ 6, 8-10 extra points?
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Old 02-23-2018, 11:36 AM   #8
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I loved the way the goblins were depicted in ITL.
also I think that PCs should be allowed to play goblins (or ocs).

hobgoblins and snotlings ( perhaps the goblins of Melee/Wizard ?) should be considered racial variants, having different ST and less IQ than goblins, actually at sub-human level.

Hence these should not be suitable races for heroes*.

* I realize that it's a racist post, sorry! :-)))
Of course PC's can be goblins or orcs! If you are willing to loosen up a bit, anything can be a PC. Ogres, prootwadles, slimes, 2 hex dragons, hunting dogs, etc. Why not?
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:54 PM   #9
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Anything, as long as it's fun and can interact meaningfully with the other PCs. A slime might be hard. A good hunting dog is a better team player than a lot of people I've known.

Snotlings are a real thing in, I believe, Warhammer.
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:23 PM   #10
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Anything, as long as it's fun and can interact meaningfully with the other PCs.
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