12-10-2018, 07:26 PM | #341 |
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Re: [Ultra-Tech] What does the TL10 battlefield look like
Addendum: that's disregarding that per Spaceships a robofac requires you input components running to 40% of the list price of the product - for most projects that's not going to be refinery bar stock! So when your dyson swarm invasion fleet is working from outer-system rocks you need more factory to feed your factory, driving that reproduction rate down a bit further.
I think the robots-building-robots-forever bit is again getting rather afield of the intended subject...
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12-10-2018, 08:41 PM | #342 | |
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12-10-2018, 08:52 PM | #343 |
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...So when you said "expand", what did you mean?
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12-10-2018, 09:33 PM | #344 |
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12-10-2018, 09:59 PM | #345 |
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Other than to be the valiant planetary defenders opposing the monstrous robotic alien invasion. Using their genetically and biologically augmented intelligence, will the humans (with an average IQ 14) be able to counter the robotic hordes?
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12-11-2018, 07:23 AM | #346 |
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No. Because of The Zeroth Law.
Well, sort of. Basically "because people." I've heard this whole argument many times about how we won't even need planets, and who wants to mess with a gravity well when you can just build space stations. And as always, it rings hollow to me. The people who spout such nonsense tend to be space zealots who clearly don't understand normal people. At all. I have lived in the equivalent of a freight yard (Bagram Air Base) and I don't want to do it again. Likewise, I would not want to live in a space station, which is essentially one large conglomeration of industrial infrastructure. People will still want to live on planets, in atmospheres. If nothing else, an immense shirtsleeves environment that doesn't need continuous heroic maintenance will be attractive to many. And they still benefit from all those lauded space resources because dropping it down to them is still cheap. Such examples are never perfect- don't be a pedant. Would you care to cite a single example of a modern fortress that triumphed against a mobile opponent in a nontrivial way? I can't think of one. Every one that I think of ends up like Eben Emael or Sevastopol.
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12-11-2018, 07:57 AM | #347 |
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Habitable planets are also biological reservoirs that allow spacefaring societies to renew the genetic information required for artificial environments. In addition, they are emergency 'lifeboats' for spacefaring species for when their civilizations collapse. While every artificial habitat will eventually go dark and countless trillions will die, the billions that live on habitable planets may survive.
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12-11-2018, 10:15 AM | #349 | |
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Of course, if your setting has delta-V in general being cheap, then what you say is true. That's a perfectly valid tech assumption at TL10. The universe becomes a much flatter and closer place. (Of course, it also makes it easier to build gigantic, expansive, open-air space habitats.) Luke |
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There's also the issue of the energy involved. Since I need to run off to work now, I don't have time to calculate this number at the moment. Later, perhaps. Luke |
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