02-12-2020, 01:04 PM | #11 | |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
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To get away from the neighbors, for one. They're pretty far away in the oort cloud, but another system offers a whole different kind of isolation.
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02-12-2020, 05:19 PM | #12 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
Ericthered's answer is pretty much the best one you can get. Besides hopping from star system to star system lets you renew resources and makes it more likely that if humanity developes FTL drives, you'll get a chance to find out about it and get one. Not wildly likely, but to anyone who read Far Centaurus, by van Voigt, a thing worth doing.
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02-12-2020, 05:58 PM | #13 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
If you believe a god is telling you to go to another star system, you go, regardless of how nice it might be in the Oort Cloud.
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02-12-2020, 09:43 PM | #14 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
Plus a much broader range of resources to tap into. If you've got a star system of your own, you can tap stellar energy near the photosphere, use any available planets or rock-and-metal bodies inside the local 'snow line', mine gas giants for He-3 or whatever or use them for Oberth maneuvers, etc. Plus you've also got the other star's Oort as well.
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02-13-2020, 02:51 AM | #15 | |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
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"Hopping from system to system" is going to make the project even bigger: as well as the 250 years of maintenance supplies (which presumably involves a lot of feedstock and redundant fabricators), you now need to take along miner/refiner capability so that you can restock all those supplies without a base civilisation, for another 600+-year hop. (Supplies including antimatter-boosted hydrogen at $12M per ton, which implies that the manufacturing process is not trivial.) I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think even the single four-and-a-bit light year leap will be a hugely expensive project requiring a great deal of custom hardware. The famous Mayflower was a typical early 17th century merchant ship, making a non-stop voyage which was longer than usual but not wildly so, to a place known to be at least somewhat livable. So it wasn't too hard to find investors in the venture; it was risky, but an evaluable risk with a good chance of paying off. This is untried hardware to largely-unknown worlds (yes, good synthetic aperture telescopes will catalogue the planets, but they won't tell you about the subtle stuff), paying off after centuries if ever. The requirements are, then, that the backers be immensely wealthy (probably multiple large corporations/nations would need to get involved) and that they be irrational by the standards of TS society (otherwise they'd do it with starwisps or other microships which are Much Cheaper). Doing that in a way that feels like TS feels like the biggest authorial challenge of this project.
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02-13-2020, 03:06 AM | #16 | |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
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Many people have made choices that defined the lives of their children. If the one you truly love has a genetic disease in their family history and they carry the trait, then marrying them is putting your children at risk. The logic you use to say generation starships are immoral could be used to say you're only allowed to have children if you are judged genetically fit by certified experts. In order to protect the children's right to good health.
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02-21-2020, 06:20 PM | #17 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
People who don't yet exist have no rights, any more than the dead have rights.
Parents don't owe their children perfect childhoods. They only have the responsibility to do the best they can, with what they have, to raise healthy, well-adjusted children with an understanding of the importance of ethical behavior, as the parents understand it.
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02-23-2020, 11:03 PM | #18 | |
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Everyone must live with the results of choices made by their parents, grandparents, and great-great-great-great-great-grandparents. Emigrate to America or stay in Europe. Migrate east or west out of the Indo-european heartland, and thus become ancestral Brits or ancestral Indians or Iranians. Out of Africa or stay in the home continent? We all live lives defined by choices made by ancestors literally tens of millennia ago. A kid born on a genship that would have preferred to be born on Earth faces a contradiction in this wish. If his parents or grandparents had stayed home, their offspring and grand-offspring would be on Earth, as he wishes to be...but those offspring would not be him. Different circumstances lead to different people being born. It certainly could be immoral to commit your descendants to live on a genship, depending on the details, but it does not have to be.
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02-24-2020, 05:01 AM | #19 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
I think that the issue is not just that your parents' decision commits you to living here rather than anywhere else, but with a generation ship, here is likely to be severely constrained, possibly claustrophobic, and probably at significant risk of highly lethal disasters -- especially as compared to pretty much any other plausible option, in a civilisation capable of building a generation ship. And with severely limited opportunities to escape the choice imposed by your ancestors. Plus the risk of humiliation implied by the Far Centaurus possibility.
If you can make your generation ship big, very comfortable, and amazingly safe, the moral issue is reduced. If.
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02-24-2020, 11:12 AM | #20 |
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Re: How to leave the Solar system.
The Mayflower had 102 passengers. 45 of them died the first winter in Plymouth. Other settlements were wiped out entirely.
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