08-23-2009, 12:29 AM | #1 |
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Extra Attack and Bows
How does Extra Attack work with bows? Do you need to make the rolls for Rapid Firing Bows from Martial Arts to eliminate the Ready time between shots to take full advantage of it, or do you simply make an attack for each Extra Attack?
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08-23-2009, 12:52 AM | #2 | |
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Location: Lawrence, KS
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Re: Extra Attack and Bows
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It's occurred to me that you might stretch a point: Spend your normal action on readying an attack (grabbing a rock, tennis ball, or ball bearing). Now your Extra Attack gives you a second action, *as long as it's an attack*. So you throw the missile, and next time you start over. It may be pushing things a little to say the second action is an "extra attack" when the first action wasn't an attack; but the first action took the same time as if it had been an attack. . . . Bill Stoddard |
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08-23-2009, 04:05 AM | #3 | |
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Re: Extra Attack and Bows
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To fire your bow once per attack you will need to do all the rolls for Rapid Firing Bows for each attack. |
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08-23-2009, 01:50 PM | #4 |
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Poland
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Re: Extra Attack and Bows
I'd say it requires Single Skill: Bows 20% Limitation, since it is extremely different from attacking twice (and more) in other ways, and allows you to fire multiple arrows at a time (and possibly ready 2 or more arrows in two seconds).
I can't say if it should have Multi-Strike Enhancement: it uses one bow (and still 2 hands), but two arrows to fire. Unless you have 4 arms: then extra attack with bows is pretty easy. (Modifiers from Powers) |
08-23-2009, 04:46 PM | #5 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Austin, TX
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Re: Extra Attack and Bows
I'd let a character with Extra Attack fast-load a bow by rolling vs Bow at the usual penalties (-1 with Heroic Archer and Weapon Master, -3 with either, or -6 with neither) and adding the -2 penalty for multiple fast-draws (MA p 103) to the fast-load penalty if he tried to fast-load twice. I wouldn't penalize the attack roll, though.
I don't know if that makes the cost of Extra Attack worth it, but it at least lets a bow master use Extra Attack. |
08-23-2009, 05:28 PM | #6 |
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: Extra Attack and Bows
If you want to be cinematic you could do a Legolas and let them have multiple arrows nocked at the same time and get one attack per arrow so long as they have enough Extra Attacks for it. Whether this results in multiple attacks or just higher RoF is a different question. As for fast-drawing and nocking the arrows, this is either something you do before the fight or else perhaps multiple fast-draws if the GM is kind, or a special Fast Draw (two arrows) skill or technique to do several in one fluid motion? And none of this is RAW as far as I know but I'm sure it can be fun :-)
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08-23-2009, 05:49 PM | #7 | |
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Roll vs bow -3 ..than 2 fast draws ,both at -4 ,than another Bow at -3 to hit(Or Dual weapon attack Bow at -3..if lower than bow). Shooting just 1 arrow/turn = same as above ,except only 1 fast draw. Also Extra attack is melee only ,unless enhanced (I think). |
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08-23-2009, 06:01 PM | #8 | |
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08-23-2009, 07:38 PM | #9 | |
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If you had ATR, you could pull off two shots in a turn.
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08-24-2009, 05:34 AM | #10 | |
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Poland
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I don't have MA, so i don't know what Rapid Firing Bows is, but I wouldn't allow to fire multiple times in a second, unless character has Altered Time Rate 2: - first 1/3s: he fires an ready arrow, - second 1/3s: readies next arrow (with Fast-Draw(arrows) roll to shorten it to one turn) - third 1/3s: fires second arrow Doing this in one second wouldn't depend on skills of character (so just giving him penalties wouldn't fit): human body lacks needed movement speed. I see only 2 ways Extra Attack could work with bows: - character has 4 or more arms and wields 2 bows: he can fire from both at a time - character has 2 (3) arms: he fires multiple arrows at a time from one bow (like Legolas). It requires Single Skill (bows) limitation, because it doesn't represent coordination but holding 2 or more arrows in one hand (alternative Adventage: High Manual Dexterity for 1/5 cost sounds reasonably [but not necessary]), and don't allow to attack two targets that are away from themselves (-5% Nuissance Effect?). Still not sure if it needs Multi-Strike Enhancement: character uses one bow, but two arrows, and fires them at once, so he uses a bow once. I'd say it doesn't need the Enhancement, but it would be unfair that it is as easy as firing from 2 bows (with 4 arms), so I'll put a +10% Multi-Arrows Enhancement.
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