02-14-2017, 09:57 AM | #11 | |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
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Note I'm just listing alternate possibilities - it may well be the case that you are correct, and trauma plates should function as layered armor when combined with flexible armor. |
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02-14-2017, 10:27 AM | #12 | |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
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02-14-2017, 10:41 AM | #13 |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
Thread split off from [Supers/Ultra-Tech] Making Advanced Tech Opponents Not-Unstoppable Badasses?.
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02-14-2017, 11:30 AM | #14 |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
Having a thrust vest with and without the inserts (flexible inserts), the inserts don't seem to make it particularly more DX reducing, but definitely add weight
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02-14-2017, 11:55 AM | #15 | |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
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In comparison a mail hauberk with a breastplate is way more comfortable and less awkward, IME. |
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02-14-2017, 02:06 PM | #16 |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
I'd say my rule of thumb is if the armor was designed as a whole, even if it is able to disassembled into arbitrary overlapping sub-components, then no layering penalty.
At low tech levels the engineering is simply not there, so it's not an issue (unless dwarves or elves decided to do it). At high tech levels the engineering and construction abilities reach the point where an arbitrary number of removable layered sub components in a single suit become possible, with after market add-ons adding yet another set of twists. The modern vest with the insert pockets is designed as a whole, with adding or removing the inserts being removable sub-components. If the body suit under the clamshell armor is designed to be used together as a whole, I'd say no layering penalty unless the design or manufacturing was shoddy. That doesn't apply to any random bodysuit, just ones designed to go with that specific type of clamshell.
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02-14-2017, 02:08 PM | #17 | |
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02-14-2017, 02:23 PM | #18 |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
Sorry, but that's too vague for me to understand. Please elaborate.
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02-14-2017, 02:28 PM | #19 |
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02-14-2017, 03:03 PM | #20 |
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Re: Layered Cutting Edge Armour
In what manner is it more awkward and unconfortable? Do the inserts tend to move around as you do? Is it thicker than the breastplate+hauberk combination in some area? Does it restrict movement of the abdomen? Are your elbows constantly rubbing against it? If we can work out what it is that makes modern body armor with inserts unconfortable, we might be able to work out a good way to GURPS-ify the effect. This is particularly important to get a good differentiation because, unless that breatplate gave 4/6 or less protection to the chest, GURPS RAW would have it suffer layering penalties.
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