Ninja Stealth Assassination

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't recall saying it was a problem (whether or not a mess is a problem depends on the situation). The problem is the noise and vigorous motion.

yep it heavy weapon make it Harder to be Stealth in the first place 8)

Well chosing a Crushing Weapon that the ST10 Ninja could Wield we have Nunchaku as sw+1 cr [4.5 ave] - 2 [DR] x4 Brain give an Ave damage of 10, both a Major wound with a and HT check for 0HP [vs HP10 target]

which compairs to the Wakizashi (shortsword) to the eye of an Ave [thr+1 imp 3.5 x4 Brain] 14 damage. but of course that need to from the frout so let drop down to the same stab to the Vitals [3.5 x 3] ave 10.5 still a slight edge. and an easer shot that the wack to the head [-3 vs -7] but knockdown rolls is better for the head shot


the Maul/Tetsubo is more for the [Crab] Samurai than the Ninja 8)
but considering its a two handed weapon, with a Min ST of 13, lets comaare to the a Stab in the Eye, and Stab the vitals 8)

Tetsubo sw+4 cr 2d-1+4 [11 ave] -2 [DR] x 4 Brain = 36 average, and Muli HT checks for HP10 person.

Vs Katana 2 handed Thrust to the Eye thr+1 1d+1 [4.5 x 4] = ave 18, which is stil a HT chack, and Major wound.

But as we have moved to Big weapons the Staby ninja grabs the Naginata [thr +3] for 1d+3 [9.5 x4] = 38 averge damage [eye stab]

and droping down to the vitals 9.5 x 3 = 28.5 average damage.

[Rupert]

Originally Posted by blacksmith

Ballanced by the longer reach as opposed to the grapleing needed to slit the throat.

The grappling is a very desirable part of the process. It allows a precision hit to be delivered much more reliably, and it makes contolling the body much easier - when someone dies by getting their throat slit or their brains dashed out they don't just fall over and lie still, but rather they thrash around either voluntarily or involuntarily. If you are grappling them you can control this whereas if you're standing a yard behind them with your hands wrapped around a bat you can't.

[blacksmith]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't recall saying it was a problem (whether or not a mess is a problem depends on the situation). The problem is the noise and vigorous motion.

and while its noise might be at a base higher, you can have problems with the grapple and make more noise that way. Hmm how many decibles does crushing a skull make? Sounds like a job for the mythbusters.

[blacksmith]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

yep it heavy weapon make it Harder to be Stealth in the first place 8).

Not really, I am thinking of a mace not a flail

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Well chosing a Crushing Weapon that the ST10 Ninja could Wield we have Nunchaku as sw+1 cr [4.5 ave] - 2 [DR] x4 Brain give an Ave damage of 10, both a Major wound with a and HT check for 0HP [vs HP10 target]

which compairs to the Wakizashi (shortsword) to the eye of an Ave [thr+1 imp 3.5 x4 Brain] 14 damage. but of course that need to from the frout so let drop down to the same stab to the Vitals [3.5 x 3] ave 10.5 still a slight edge. and an easer shot that the wack to the head [-3 vs -7] but knockdown rolls is better for the head shot
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You then need to somehow get infront of someone to get them in the eye, and you have the auto stunning issue of a headblow. I think with that dammage you force a consiousness check anyway.

Originally Posted by roguebfl

the Maul/Tetsubo is more for the [Crab] Samurai than the Ninja 8)
but considering its a two handed weapon, with a Min ST of 13, lets comaare to the a Stab in the Eye, and Stab the vitals 8)

Tetsubo sw+4 cr 2d-1+4 [11 ave] -2 [DR] x 4 Brain = 36 average, and Muli HT checks for HP10 person.

Vs Katana 2 handed Thrust to the Eye thr+1 1d+1 [4.5 x 4] = ave 18, which is stil a HT chack, and Major wound.

But as we have moved to Big weapons the Staby ninja grabs the Naginata [thr +3] for 1d+3 [9.5 x4] = 38 averge damage [eye stab]

and droping down to the vitals 9.5 x 3 = 28.5 average damage.

THere might be more issues to sneaking wtih a polearm over a sledgehammer

[blacksmith]

Originally Posted by Rupert

The grappling is a very desirable part of the process. It allows a precision hit to be delivered much more reliably, and it makes contolling the body much easier - when someone dies by getting their throat slit or their brains dashed out they don't just fall over and lie still, but rather they thrash around either voluntarily or involuntarily. If you are grappling them you can control this whereas if you're standing a yard behind them with your hands wrapped around a bat you can't.

What is the penalty for grapeling someone while holding things and stabing someone while you are grappeling them?

Seems more like a penalty to hit in GURPS than a bonus.

[Cosmic Baron]

I don´t remember seeing a penalty for doing stuff like that while grappling (then again, its been awhile since I read that part last time...) and I could imagine that it would be easier to stab someone if you are limitung their movement.

[zorg]

It's also harder for the guard to draw a weapon while being grappled, or to use a walkie talkie, or to run away.

[RedMageSern]

You don't have any penalty or bonus to attack with a Reach C weapon while grappled, but your opponent can't make a defence roll, so you'll probaably hit. The grapple also stops them from spasming and making noise as they die. I think you could also hold their mouth closed to stop them from yelling.

[blacksmith]

Originally Posted by RedMageSern

You don't have any penalty or bonus to attack with a Reach C weapon while grappled, but your opponent can't make a defence roll, so you'll probaably hit. The grapple also stops them from spasming and making noise as they die. I think you could also hold their mouth closed to stop them from yelling.

But you are grappleing with one hand, there needs to be some penalties somewhere either to the attack or the grapple as you are not just gappleing them.

Also assuming two arms, if you are holding their mouth closed you can not be in control of their arms as one arm has a knife in it and the other is holding their mouth closed.

I mean sure you do not get penalties for using a knife in close combat but there is a difference between close combat and grapleing.

[Cosmic Baron]

Well, taking your arm under the shoulder and to the mouth should work, leaving youre other hand free to handling a knife.