Steve Jackson Games - Site Navigation
Home General Info Follow Us Search Illuminator Store Forums What's New Other Games Ogre GURPS Munchkin Our Games: Home

Go Back   Steve Jackson Games Forums > Roleplaying > GURPS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-12-2020, 11:33 AM   #1
pgb
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UK
Default Cloak TL?

This is really picky, I know...

In Basic, a cloak is listed as TL1 (p275 in the Muscle-Powered Ranged Weapon table, p287 in the Shield Table). In Low-Tech, it is listed as TL0 in the clothing section (p99) which mentions its use for a Block; costs and weights don't quite match either.

I'm not sure of the best interpretation. One would be that at TL0, cloaks exist and can be used to Block, but aren't well enough made to gain the other benefits of a shield (i.e Defensive Bonus) or to permit grappling, until TL1.

I'm trying to stay as close as possible to RAW for a particular project...

Thanks,

Paul.
pgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 12:06 PM   #2
zoncxs
 
zoncxs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: earth....I think.
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Yeah, I just looked at everything and you are right that nothing is consistent. I would ignore the pricing and weights on page 99 of Low-tech, especially since the stats on page 75 don't reflect those weights.

I would stick with the stats in basic set since those numbers appear everywhere else. I would use the bits about heavy cloaks having DR 1 vs cutting and allowing the use as an arrow curtain (page 104 low-tech).
zoncxs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 12:25 PM   #3
Say, it isn't that bad!
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Default Re: Cloak TL?

My understanding: The Basic Set was made to be playable by most anyone who'd play GURPS. Low-Tech was made to be playable by most anyone who'd play GURPS in a low-tech setting and wanted more accurate info.

Where Low-Tech conflicts with the Basic Set, Low-Tech is almost certainly more correct, being the specialized product.
Say, it isn't that bad! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 01:55 PM   #4
zoncxs
 
zoncxs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: earth....I think.
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Say, it isn't that bad! View Post
My understanding: The Basic Set was made to be playable by most anyone who'd play GURPS. Low-Tech was made to be playable by most anyone who'd play GURPS in a low-tech setting and wanted more accurate info.

Where Low-Tech conflicts with the Basic Set, Low-Tech is almost certainly more correct, being the specialized product.
The problem is that Low-Tech conflicts with itself with this.

Page 76 of Low-Tech shows the price for the Cloaks as $50 for Heavy, and $20 for Light (The weights are 5 lbs and 2 lbs), but on page 99 of Low-Tech we have cost being 10% cost of living and weighs 2 lbs for a light cloak, and a heavy one being 15% and weighing 3 lbs.
zoncxs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 02:00 PM   #5
David Johnston2
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pgb View Post
This is really picky, I know...

In Basic, a cloak is listed as TL1 (p275 in the Muscle-Powered Ranged Weapon table, p287 in the Shield Table). In Low-Tech, it is listed as TL0 in the clothing section (p99) which mentions its use for a Block; costs and weights don't quite match either.
.
<shrug> I don't see the problem. One of them is a TL1 cloak and the other is a TL 0 cloak. The difference would be the materials and craftsmanship.
David Johnston2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 02:22 PM   #6
zoncxs
 
zoncxs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: earth....I think.
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Johnston2 View Post
<shrug> I don't see the problem. One of them is a TL1 cloak and the other is a TL 0 cloak. The difference would be the materials and craftsmanship.
The problem is that the TL0 cloak cost more and weighs less than the TL1 cloaks.
zoncxs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 03:08 PM   #7
Stormcrow
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ronkonkoma, NY
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by zoncxs View Post
The problem is that Low-Tech conflicts with itself with this.
So they copied the Basic Set table without revising it for the new description of cloaks. If you want generic cloaks, use what's in the Basic Set. If you want cloaks appropriate to Status, use Low-Tech page 99.
Stormcrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2020, 04:37 PM   #8
zoncxs
 
zoncxs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: earth....I think.
Default Re: Cloak TL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by zoncxs View Post
....

I would stick with the stats in basic set since those numbers appear everywhere else. I would use the bits about heavy cloaks having DR 1 vs cutting and allowing the use as an arrow curtain (page 104 low-tech).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormcrow View Post
So they copied the Basic Set table without revising it for the new description of cloaks. If you want generic cloaks, use what's in the Basic Set. If you want cloaks appropriate to Status, use Low-Tech page 99.

And we have come full circle, I hope you all enjoyed the ride!
zoncxs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2020, 07:24 PM   #9
Varyon
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default Re: Cloak TL?

I'd be tempted to disregard the TL, price, and weight from LT76 (it contradicts the more in-depth text on LT99, and is clearly copy-pasta'd from BS), instead using the TL, price, and weight from LT99. Note the price and weight from the table match up decently well with the Light Cloak from LT99, if you assume Status right between -1 and -2 (a Status -1 Light Cloak costs $30, a Status -2 Light Cloak costs $10). If using Damage to Shields, I'd probably treat the cloak as though it were Layered Cloth covering the Forearm (only) of equal weight (the DR 1 vs cut of the Heavy Cloak is for when you're wearing it normally). A single Forearm is 1/8th the weight of Torso armor, so multiply weight by 8. For the Light Cloak, that's 16 lb, right between the 12 lb of DR 2 and 20 lb of DR 3; call it DR 2 (or maybe DR 3/2, first number against cut only). For that Heavy Cloak, that's 24 lb, right between the 20 lb of DR 3 and 28 lb of DR 4; call it DR 3 (or maybe DR 4/3, first number against cut only).
__________________
GURPS Overhaul
Varyon is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
basic, low-tech

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Fnords are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.