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EDIT For the record, I like allowing a cestus to be used to parry one-handed weapon attacks (like the main-gauche) but without hit-stoppage if the attack still succeeds. I'm inclined to deny it a 2-hit stoppage when used with a rapier under Fencer and Two-Weapon talent benefits but I have no strong opinion on the subject...yet :) Q: Can one wield a one-handed weapon in a hand that is wearing a cestus?
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11-25-2018, 10:02 AM | #22 | |
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11-25-2018, 12:41 PM | #23 | |
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11-25-2018, 03:00 PM | #24 |
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Re: Towering main-gauche
A reason to go with a -1 DX penalty with a main gauche is that it has a special ability (deliver a second attack while keeping the -1 protection) yet requires no Unusual Weapon talent. Generally speaking, the balance of play in Melee is maintained through a careful balancing of all advantages with proportional costs or disadvantages. If a main gauche were functionally the same as a small shield I'd say it should have a 0 DX penalty (otherwise it would be superfluous). But it isn't; a main gauche gets a 1d-1 damage second attack as well, at a modest DX penalty. There has to be some sort of cost or disadvantage to compensate for this.
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11-25-2018, 05:04 PM | #25 |
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Re: Towering main-gauche
The -4 DX for the second (main-gauche) attack is enough balance for me. If I reach a point where I feel it isn't enough, I'll make it -5 DX :)
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11-25-2018, 07:06 PM | #26 |
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Re: Towering main-gauche
There is no implication in the Left Handed weapons section that you have any penalty on your main attack when you deliver a secondary attack with your Main Gauche. So, that -4 attack is still pure gravy. I think it is out of keeping with the rest of the equipment if you get this, plus 1pt protection, with no special talent required and no DX penalty. That's why I agree with the Advanced Melee suggestion that it incur a -1 DX penalty.
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11-26-2018, 08:40 AM | #28 |
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Re: Towering main-gauche
It seems clear to me. The text explicitly tells you that if you take the attack option you ALSO get a second attack with the Main Gauche delivered with a -4 DX adjustment. Unless you impose some additional house rules on top of what is written, your choices are either: get 1 pt of protection and attack normally with your main weapon, or get 1 pt of protection, attack normally with your main weapon, AND attack at -4 DX with the main-gauche. Any sensible person would normally do the latter, and would prefer to do this over having a small shield if the two had the same requirements and penalties.
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11-26-2018, 09:40 AM | #29 | |
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I'm willing to live with -1 DX if you use the Shield talent for the main-guache and no penalty if you use Fencer. Otherwise you get the situation where a Fencer can use a main-gauche, except that the main-gauche lowers his DX so he can't use Fencer. The buckler is of course much more useful when dodging towards the Light Crossbow sniper because it applies the -1 DX benefit from Shield Expertise.
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11-26-2018, 10:21 AM | #30 |
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Re: Towering main-gauche
'Sword' or 'Knife' are effectively the two talents you can use to fight with a Main Gauche. So, actually, it requires less investment to fight with sword and main gauche than to fight with any one handed weapon plus a small shield. Another reason why the -1 DX penalty for Main Gauche feels to me like the right call.
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