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08-18-2018, 10:02 PM | #22 | |
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08-20-2018, 11:55 AM | #23 | |
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When I hear "labor" I think of tasks that can be trained for in one year or less, and I also associate it with manufacturing, repair, construction, and other work on material goods in industrial environments. Sometimes farm work comes up. Perhaps this is a little stuck up of me / whatever conditioned my mind that way, but it is what it is.
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08-21-2018, 12:30 AM | #24 |
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08-21-2018, 02:40 PM | #25 | |
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08-21-2018, 03:43 PM | #26 | |
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However... I've built a basic revenue cutter three different ways. The full-capability TL-12 cutter is 50dt, 6g, DR1000, and a small turret with a single pulse laser. A TL-11 cockpit was used to save money so sensor and comm ranges are the same as TL-12 but computer complexity is one less at 7. The cutter has 3 low berths (12 tubes) and a cargo hold which can be converted either to a 60 patient basic evacuation bay or emergency seating for 120 evacuees. This cost just about MCr20. I then built the same craft to TL-10 specs, getting as close to the performance and capabilities of the TL-12 craft as possible. That cutter is 50dt, 4g, DR500, Complexity 6, small turret with single pulse laser... and significantly reduced sensor and comm capabilities over the TL-11 cockpit. The evacuation bays can only hold 24 patients or emergency seating for 48. This cutter costs about MCr11. So, if you're willing to accept the reduced capabilities TL-10 seems cheaper... ...BUT... I then built a TL-12 cutter to match the reduced TL-10 performance of the cutter above. This one was 35dt, 4g, DR500, Complexity 7 with the TL-11 sensor and comm capabilities, a 24/48 patient/passenger evac bay and single pulse laser... for MCr9. So, if you were a world government willing to accept TL-10 craft performance and all other factors being equal you'd still save money having a craft with those capabilities built at TL-12... AND you'd have a more capable craft with better weapons, computer, sensors, comms and reduced maintenance costs (such costs are based on purchase price) over the TL-10 version. ...so, absent major political motivations, why would anyone buy the TL-10 version? |
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08-21-2018, 04:09 PM | #27 |
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Re: TL-10 gear manufactured by TL-12 factories
Are we talking about technical CONCEPTS or CRAFTSMANSHIP? Because a Swiss knife and a Chinese knife are basically knives but I would much rather have a Swiss one.
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08-21-2018, 04:52 PM | #28 |
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The Chinese are capable of crafting knives as fine as anyone in the world, and they do... US distributors BUY cheap knives to sell here, but that doesn't mean that's all China can do.
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08-21-2018, 06:47 PM | #29 |
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That's as may be. That is not really the point. The point is that the same kind of good can often be crafted better at a higher TL. Is a TL 10 good that can be routinely crafted at fine at TL 12 but only average at TL 10 a TL 12 good? Or are only goods that can only be crafted TL 12 counted.
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I'm also not aware of anything except blade weapons that are given automatic quality increases by a TL... and that's like 6 TLs after introduction. |
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