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Re: Gurps Vampire vs Hunter balance concerns.
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11-15-2017, 01:18 PM | #32 | |
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I'm only lightly familiar with OWoD, and not really much at all with NWoD. That said, vampires can have human servants. Even if the PC isn't actually one, it can be something they can tell the Prince of the City if it's raising their ire. The big thing to do is find the niche of "what can humans do that vampires can't", and then just slot yourself there as thoroughly as you can. If keeping the Masquerade is a big deal for the campaign, you could play as the face of the group - talking to reporters about how ridiculous it is that people keep thinking there are vampires around. After all, we live in the age of smart phones. Surely *somebody* would have snapped a picture of them by now. |
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11-15-2017, 01:30 PM | #33 | |
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Re: Gurps Vampire vs Hunter balance concerns.
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11-15-2017, 01:38 PM | #34 | ||
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11-15-2017, 04:25 PM | #35 |
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Re: Gurps Vampire vs Hunter balance concerns.
Thanks for the replies. I really appreciate the participation here.
I just wish you guys understood me and the group I play with. You'd understand better on how this is likely to play out. We are not PvPers. I do not expect much, if any PvP to play out, maybe when I first meet them, there will probably be distrust and hesitation to not kill them. But someone I trust will probably talk me into working with the other players (vampires), for the good of all of us. I've played a vampire gurps with this group before, a different time period, and it pretty much played out where a small group of vampires were trying to overthrow the head or something...I didn't really care. My character had his own agenda. But they ended up needing me, so we worked together on things. The same thing will happen here if I let it happen, which I will because player vs player makes me way too nervous. So there really won't be any disruption coming from me. If there was, I would end up dead and that would probably be the end of me in that campaign...hmmm, maybe I should just get myself killed off early. We also often are separated in most of the campaigns we play. It's what we enjoy. We like to have control over our own thing. It often crosses paths and we group up for a moment, but then we separate again. So taking turns (meanwhile...I used to love hearing that) is commonplace for our group, and actually preferred. I kind of like the idea of being a human pawn though, doing things they can't do or things that would be better for a human to handle. I just think vampire stuff is so stupid I'd rather just kill them though. Gosh I'm not excited about this. If anything disrupts it, it will be my attitude, which I'm going to try my darndest to keep positive. Thanks for the link, Phantasm. Hopefully, I can get some ideas from that, although there is no way I can make anything near that with a 200 point character. |
11-15-2017, 04:32 PM | #36 |
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Re: Gurps Vampire vs Hunter balance concerns.
For those really wanting to help we need more info to be effective.
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11-15-2017, 04:36 PM | #37 |
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Re: Gurps Vampire vs Hunter balance concerns.
Ok, I'm going to ignore the parts that have already been discussed but they are still valid points so I will summarize:
1. GURPS Vampire the Mascarade, while infinitely better than the orriginal white wolf product on this matter, is an absolute point obsenity even by 3e standards. It will not convert to 4e well, if at all. Hopefully the GM is investing the time required to recapture the 'feel' of VtM with 4e numbers.... 2. The concept of playing a non-vampire in a 'new vampire' game is contrary because your challenges (somehow not getting eaten by a bunch of elder vampires who are way better than you in every conceivable way except for that whole 'loosing humanity' bit). 3. Your concept of 'mattering against the freaks' is already indicative of taking a hostile attitude to the entire campaign, if your just going to sit in the corner and mope or worse have your character actively screw up things that are important to the other players its not going to be fun for anyone. With all of that said: Make one, or all, of the new vampire's survival important to your PC- A child, lover, parent, or even close friend trying really hard to wrap their head around the whole situation and help there companion through a rough and difficult time. How does Rambo handle his wife turning into a vampire- being a neigh-unstoppable avatar of destruction crammed into man-flesh does not help a fresh vampire feed without getting caught or killed; or does it? Roleplay it! I would not make your character's background 'vampire hunter' but instead 'skilled fighter who knows about vampires'- this helps remove the 'we must kill the threat to our society' factor and replaces it with 'aww the mortal thinks it can help the fledgling out'. If you can tolerate some minor supernatural advantages: consider: Immunity: vampire blood addition : You can drink vampire blood, but will never be under the sway of the vampire who 'donated', better keep this a secret, but you'll get to enjoy the perks of being a ghoul without being someone's slave. Zeroed (cosmic); once you leave a situation everyone forgets about you- so long as your good at fast talk you can convince even a vampire elder you should be there, and they'll never build an ongoing narrative of who you REALLY are. |
11-15-2017, 04:41 PM | #38 | |
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'GM' has made comments about how the vampires in this setting will be vulnerable in a way, due to many factors he isn't disclosing, so we cam trust him to make it balanced." From GM: "It's my job to balance the game. It's your job to make a character you'd enjoy playing, then come and play with a good attitude and have fun. " That's really about all I can do. He does a decent job. There have been balance issues throughout some of the campaigns though. I'll just have to see how it plays out. I would guess there will be more of a political focus with some combat and mystery...mostly political though, who's the big bad guy trying to take over the world, why, and what are we going to do to stop him and his group? My favorite types of characters have been the hunter type, thief-like, stealth, long range sneak attacks, espionage, that sort of thing. @starslayer, Can you explain the drinking blood and ghoul thing to me? Last edited by Boge; 11-15-2017 at 04:45 PM. |
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11-15-2017, 05:06 PM | #39 | ||
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A character who can do things Vampires cant but will actually need is useful. Vampires tend to be good at combat, stealth and mental influence. Strong Will and advantages like Mind Shield will offer you some protection, and let you move in Vampire circles. An Elder as a Patron who wants you safe for his own purposes is another option. A reporter (maybe with a military or civil service background)who has Contacts and skills could fit your charecter preferences and the described campaign type. Seems doable to me.
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