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Old 02-05-2019, 06:50 AM   #1
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So I've been thinking in the context of a possible AtE game, but it could probably be adapted to any other setting...

So, Vietnamese and other people living in poorer Asian countries have the reputation to be able to carry some truly impressive loads on bicycles. So, is that a specialty of the Freight Handling skill? Just how much can you carry on a TL 8 bike? Could it be a plausible alternative to horses and the like in AtE settings? Could you expect bicycles to be relatively common in a realistic AtE setting?

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Old 02-05-2019, 07:27 AM   #2
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The status of bicycles depends on the nature of the end, but I could see a lot of them being around in a majority of cases. The biggest difficulty is replacing and repairing the tire tubes. There are probably ways to work around that.


I know that bikes are sometimes ridden with big weights, but other times are used as the equivalent of mules, walked around with heavy loads.



I'd say that both bicycling and freight handling should be used for cycling about with 60 lbs of scrap iron.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:12 AM   #3
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Since an IQ-based bicycling roll lets you make simple repairs, I would imagine the same would work for loading one.

I'd probably also allow freight handling or packing.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:24 AM   #4
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So, is that a specialty of the Freight Handling skill?
I'd say it's straight Freight Handling (though an optional Speciality would also be appropriate).

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Just how much can you carry on a TL 8 bike?
As someone who has loaded up the ole bicycle and gone a trippin....

I'd treat it as a two wheeled cart.

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Could it be a plausible alternative to horses and the like in AtE settings? Could you expect bicycles to be relatively common in a realistic AtE setting?
A tentative yes. Depends on your apocalypse. But even then horses have an advantage of eating grasses and not requiring any tech beyond TL 0 to use or care for*. So while you could replace horses, a lot of communities (again depending on the apoc) won;t be likely to.

An apocalypse that left cities and roads largely intact? Oh hecks yeah!



* Yes, yes I know, the better your tech, the better the horse's health and safety.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:50 AM   #5
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Horses have a lot of upkeep. Working horses need more nutrition that grass alone can provide, I think. They take time to grow, need medical care, etc.

There is a reason why they were status animals.

Bikes and trikes seem far more of a bargain for most post-apoc situations. Though off road bikes probably take a hint higher tech to maintain than a 19th century one gear safety bike.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:51 AM   #6
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Since an IQ-based bicycling roll lets you make simple repairs, I would imagine the same would work for loading one.

I'd probably also allow freight handling or packing.
It does sound like Hiking covering loading a pack and not just the literal hiking.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:58 AM   #7
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Hello everyone!

So I've been thinking in the context of a possible AtE game, but it could probably be adapted to any other setting...

So, Vietnamese and other people living in poorer Asian countries have the reputation to be able to carry some truly impressive loads on bicycles. So, is that a specialty of the Freight Handling skill? Just how much can you carry on a TL 8 bike? Could it be a plausible alternative to horses and the like in AtE settings? Could you expect bicycles to be relatively common in a realistic AtE setting?

Thanks!
Based on my experience, I would let Freight Handling cover a balanced, stable load with a low centre of gravity. Falling sideways can be a danger, especially before you get up to speed.

Critical failures will result in penalties to Bicycling skill, objects falling off at just the wrong time or being caught by passing traffic, or breakage.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:48 PM   #8
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Bikes have one natural enemy, Hills.
Horses have a similar weakness pulling up slopes, though oxen slightly less so.
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Old 02-05-2019, 04:12 PM   #9
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Assuming you don't put more weight on a bicycle than it can support, on a flat surface the main problem with a load on a bike is that the way we stay upright on a bike is by shifting our mass to prevent falling over, and static weights either don't shift at all, or shift inappropriately. Getting your load properly arranged so it's balanced, doesn't get in the way, and doesn't shift around improperly is certainly freight handling. On a slope, it takes extra energy to go up, and extra braking to go down. For any super heavy load, you're probably better off having a bike trailer, as it doesn't put nearly as much load on the bike wheels and stays stable without intervention.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:38 PM   #10
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Horses have a lot of upkeep. Working horses need more nutrition that grass alone can provide, I think. They take time to grow, need medical care, etc.
That's why an AtE situation will be a huge boost up for donkeys and oxen over horses - donkeys can't carry nearly as much, and are slower, and oxen can't work for as long (and are slower except under really heavy loads, which slow horses right down), but both can work on mere grass and hay.
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