Summon Myrmidon restriction?

hcobb · 01-05-2020, 02:51 PM

ITL: "the Myrmidon can be any starting (32-point) fighter with any legal combination of regular weapons and armor."

What's a "fighter"?

Gargoyle ST 13, DX 11, IQ 8, Halberd(2d)

Shostak · 01-05-2020, 03:50 PM

No. Obviously.

TippetsTX · 01-05-2020, 04:06 PM

In spite of language in ITL to the contrary, I think it is a mistake to allow too much flexibility or customization in the 'myrmidon's' abilities. I don't believe the spell’s intent was to summon a made-to-order warrior. Look at where the spell falls in the hierarchy of summoning spells... better than a wolf, but not as good as a bear and neither of which can be customized. In spite of what they look like, I have always assumed that summoned beings (in TFT) are more like constructs than living things; a template-ed automaton given substance by magic.

Besides, everybody knows you are summoning a man-sized warrior bug, not a person. ;)

Shostak · 01-05-2020, 05:32 PM

I've always played so that Summon Myrmidon could bring forth any 32-point IQ 8 human fighter with whatever legal weapon/armor combo desired, with only positive effect on the game. Want to keep the enemy guessing if it is an illusion? Then don't summon a myrmidon with a bow!

hcobb · 01-05-2020, 06:35 PM

Can a human wizard summon a fighter with a stick who looks exactly like himself?

FireHorse · 01-05-2020, 06:55 PM

How good are the mirrors in your world? Can you recreate your own face if you've never actually seen it (or not clearly)?

And even if you DO have a good mirror, might you unwittingly make your duplicate a left-to-right flipped version of yourself? (Roll vs. IQ to avoid the mistake?)

As for Myrmidons, I take that word to mean something like "standard issue armed flunky" — so if I were the GM, that spell would produce somebody armed like a normal town guardsman or grunt-level soldier from the caster's home region & culture.

hcobb · 01-05-2020, 07:26 PM

In my fiction the Young Naturalist noted that the Staff to Snake wasn't a snake from the area.

Shostak · 01-05-2020, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb

Can a human wizard summon a fighter with a stick who looks exactly like himself?

No. That would require Illusion. There is nothing in the write-up of Summon Myrmidon which suggests any control over appearance, though I suspect you already knew that.

Skarg · 01-06-2020, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb

Gargoyle ST 13, DX 11, IQ 8, Halberd(2d)

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb

Can a human wizard summon a fighter with a stick who looks exactly like himself?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcobb

In my fiction the Young Naturalist noted that the Staff to Snake wasn't a snake from the area.

Ok.

KevinJ · 01-31-2020, 12:48 PM

Somewhere there is a note that any 32pt NPC card can be used for Summon Myrmidon.

01-05-2020, 02:51 PM	#1
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Summon Myrmidon restriction? ITL: "the Myrmidon can be any starting (32-point) fighter with any legal combination of regular weapons and armor." What's a "fighter"? Gargoyle ST 13, DX 11, IQ 8, Halberd(2d) __________________ -HJC

01-05-2020, 03:50 PM	#2
Shostak Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New England	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? No. Obviously.

01-05-2020, 04:06 PM	#3
TippetsTX Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: North Texas	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? In spite of language in ITL to the contrary, I think it is a mistake to allow too much flexibility or customization in the 'myrmidon's' abilities. I don't believe the spell’s intent was to summon a made-to-order warrior. Look at where the spell falls in the hierarchy of summoning spells... better than a wolf, but not as good as a bear and neither of which can be customized. In spite of what they look like, I have always assumed that summoned beings (in TFT) are more like constructs than living things; a template-ed automaton given substance by magic. Besides, everybody knows you are summoning a man-sized warrior bug, not a person. ;) __________________ “No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.” -Vladimir Taltos Last edited by TippetsTX; 01-05-2020 at 08:41 PM.

01-05-2020, 05:32 PM	#4
Shostak Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New England	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? I've always played so that Summon Myrmidon could bring forth any 32-point IQ 8 human fighter with whatever legal weapon/armor combo desired, with only positive effect on the game. Want to keep the enemy guessing if it is an illusion? Then don't summon a myrmidon with a bow!

01-05-2020, 06:35 PM	#5
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? Can a human wizard summon a fighter with a stick who looks exactly like himself? __________________ -HJC

01-05-2020, 06:55 PM	#6
FireHorse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? How good are the mirrors in your world? Can you recreate your own face if you've never actually seen it (or not clearly)? And even if you DO have a good mirror, might you unwittingly make your duplicate a left-to-right flipped version of yourself? (Roll vs. IQ to avoid the mistake?) As for Myrmidons, I take that word to mean something like "standard issue armed flunky" — so if I were the GM, that spell would produce somebody armed like a normal town guardsman or grunt-level soldier from the caster's home region & culture.

01-05-2020, 07:26 PM	#7
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? In my fiction the Young Naturalist noted that the Staff to Snake wasn't a snake from the area. __________________ -HJC

01-31-2020, 12:48 PM	#10
KevinJ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arizona	Re: Summon Myrmidon restriction? Somewhere there is a note that any 32pt NPC card can be used for Summon Myrmidon. __________________ So you've got the tiger by the tail. Now what?