07-24-2020, 08:54 AM | #1 |
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Homeric Greek Code of Honor
What do you think should go into a Code of Honor for the Homeric-era Greeks (i.e., the Greeks told of in the Iliad, the Odyssey and to a lesser extent in the Aeneid)?
So far I have two components:
This together is about -10 points, although you can build up a considerable Claim to Hospitality by hosting people. * well, maybe not town but to the area.
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07-24-2020, 12:31 PM | #2 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
There ought to be something about not suffering insults. It seems to be a recurring theme: "Sing, Goddess, the wrath of Peleus' son Achilles..."
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07-24-2020, 03:04 PM | #3 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
Family Loyalty: I am not sure how much it is stressed, perhaps more in the Odyessy but you can't have a low-cohesion society without it. Basically each family is it's own kingdom godfather-style.
Loyalty of retainers: similarly that must be there and for the same reason even if the only people talked much of are the Heroes. Most heroic codes are glamorized versions of ones that really existed and had a recognizable resemblance because the reality they were based on was a survival necessity.
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07-25-2020, 07:57 AM | #4 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
The hostility towards insults is probably part of kleos. Is there a good Greek word for loyalty? Eusebeia?
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
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Hostility toward insults is related to Philia, in fact a lot of honor is. To understand honor you have to imagine what would happen if all the stuff we outsource to the state was instead done by our grandfather.
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07-25-2020, 09:31 AM | #6 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
Right, the Greek version of pater potestas, the power of the oldest man over his family. I think I'll go with eusebeia.
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07-25-2020, 11:03 AM | #7 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
That might work as it covers all reverence including that toward the gods. Also Iliad as I understand, is about a conflict between that and Kleos.
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07-25-2020, 11:23 AM | #8 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
Self-conflicting heroic codes are what great drama is made of.
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07-25-2020, 11:28 AM | #9 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
Indeed they are.
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07-25-2020, 11:35 AM | #10 |
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Re: Homeric Greek Code of Honor
Hector, Penelope and Aeneas were examples of Eusebeia. Achilles of Kleos. The whole war was the avenging of an insult which was the violation of Xenia.
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