03-10-2011, 06:57 PM | #1 |
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[RPG] Political parties
Reading through the latest Transhuman Space PDF (Cities on the Edge), it has a bit on Stockholm. Reading through its politics, I'm reminded again why I despise political parties.
So those of you who have political systems in your campaigns, care to share how you handle them? Me, I am a major plagiarist, so my "politics" in my "thought experiment" pocket empire involves getting away from political parties as much as possible. The executive, legislative (tricameral), and judiciary are all non-elective/non-partisan. (Executive: non-hereditary constitutional set-term monarch. Legislative: 1= top families; 2 = council of experts; 3 = jury-pool of qualified citizens. Judiciary: the usual.) Think a mix of Steakley(rest his soul...)'s Armor (the Guardian of Golden), cyberdemocracy, and multiple sources from various RPGs. (Like I said: plagiarist... :-P) |
03-10-2011, 09:08 PM | #2 | |
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In an earlier campaign, the entire known world was one huge castle dominated by five aristocratic houses of sorcerers. The head of each had a seat on the Council and a rotating chairmanship. Two of the four senior aristo PCs were on the council. So we played out a number of meetings and the political infighting that surrounded them. Bill Stoddard |
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03-11-2011, 01:46 AM | #3 | |
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I had the Techno: Planned Neo-Techno: Planned/Knowledge/Cybernetic Reform Party: Democracy Progressives: Democracy/Planned Neo-Liberals: Democracy/Free Market/Wealth Dissenters: Fundamentalist Social Harmony Party: Democracy/Thought Control Unity Party: Democracy/Power Enviros: Democracy/Green And so on. Far too many for any party to have a shot at forming a majority government so it was all coalitions that kept breaking down. Democracy Italian-style. |
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03-11-2011, 01:54 PM | #4 | |
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How I handle it depends upon the type of campaign, most of the time I content myself with chosing the broad type of government (e.g. dictatorship, repersentitive democracy etc) and how this will effect the laws that my players will end up interacting with. Every so often I find myself running a game where knowing how the government works could be an advantage I plot out the structure of the government(s) in some detail particularly its structure, means of appointment and party structure. Typicaly political parties will be preasent in some form even in states without any form of election. The underlying characteristics of political parties are a fact of life. People of similar views will form alliences in order to obtain their goals. For my current partialy intreigue based setting I have a number of systems with varying structures including: Cascadia, direct democracy no perminent legislature and no formal party system. There are however at least three informal parties identified with factions in the governing bureaucracy, one conservitive with a small c (as in pro the status quo rather than any specific ideology), one strongly pro-business and one favouring more moderate reforms. Australia, representitive democracy with a unicameral legislature a directly elected present and two dominant political parties. The party system follows the dominant historical model in both Australia and Britain with a broadly center right party and a broadly center left party collecting the major shares of the vote. Specificaly these are the National Liberal Party which is a more or less classical liberal party and the Agrarian Party which is as its name sugests an agrarian socialist (specificaly distributist) organisation. Ezo, representitive democracy with a bi-cameral legislature (partialy appointive) an indirectly elected president and four to six as yet undefigned parties. The system is modeled (with one or two deliberate chainges) upon the early US congress with a lower house directly elected by indevidual voters and an upper house appointed by regional governments. Political parties dominate lower house elections and have a significant influence on upper house appointments. |
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03-11-2011, 02:43 PM | #5 |
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Re: [RPG] Political parties
My politiking is based on honest strife for power within the limits of law and custom. Nontheless there are factional differences. They are not exclusive to each other and thus there are fine lines.
In foreign policy there are Expansionists: who desire more colonies Consolodationists: who desire better protection of already acquired territory. Isolationists: effectively more extreme Consolodationists. Internally there are Tribalists: who put clan loyalty first Civicists : who put the city first Federalists: who think first of the Federal government Federalists are likely to be members of smaller clans or clanless immigrants; who need a source of protection and employment; and larger clans who are to powerful to compete without drawing to many enemies, and which can actually have a sizable influence in national policy. These are just the ideological differences which are comparitively unimportant. Most politics centers around interest rather then ideology.
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03-11-2011, 06:47 PM | #6 |
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Re: [RPG] Political parties
In my SF setting FLAT BLACK each of a thousand inhabited worlds has its own politics. Political systems are madly diverse, and almost oblivious of Imperial affairs, except that every colony appoints Imperial District Court judges who will protect its government from the Commission for Justice.
The Empire is a sort of weird hybrid of the MicroSoft, the UN, and the estate of Alfred Nobel. The executive is a self-perpetuating Board of Trustees, and it has astronomical revenues from (1) the interstellar transport monopoly, (2) real estate development: it opens up about four whole planets a year, and sells them off as real estate, (3) orbital industry, and (4) interstellar commerce and banking. Future Trustees are co-opted by existing Trustees, and they are chosen for competence, experience, and a fanatical devotion to "The Imperial Mission", which is to abolish war, famine, plague, and anything else that causes lots of preventable deaths. The Trustees are nearly all trained from birth these days, and are quite fanatical, though most people (including politicians) continue to treat them as politicians seeking advantage and power. The legislature is a Senate with one senator from each colony. It is so vast that it has to conduct its business with something like message boards. Imperial senators are appointed by the governments of the colonies, not elected, and they have some qualities of diplomats (diplomatic immunity, written instructions, appointment by government). They are generally pretty professional, and usually vote in the interests of their colony, or rather in interests of the government that appointed them. So senators are more like UN delegates or European Commissioners than US senators. The constitution of the Empire is sketched in the Treaty of Luna, which was signed in 495 PDT (the game date is 606 PDT). That was before anyone realised how rich the Trust was going to be, and the idea at that time was that the Senate should restrain the executive the power of the pursestrings. But at first the Senate tried to strangle the Empire out of existence by approving no Imperial taxes, contributions, or appropriations. So the Empire was very weak until the money started rolling in from real estate sales. Now the executive (the Trust) enjoys a lot more independence than the signatories of the Treaty of Luna bargained for, the Senate strives mightily to restrain it by other means, ans the relationship between the Senate and the Board of Trustees is hopelessly poisonous. The Board of Trustees needs the Senate for three things. Intervention Acts that allow it to intervene in the affairs of particular colonies against the wills of their governments (usually to depose the government because it is causing preventable deaths on an egregious scale); Establishment Acts that allow it to continue to exercise government on a new world it is opening up for development, even after the first immigrants land; and Conservancy Acts that appoint someone to act for a colony where there is no recognised government, in the matter of dealing with the Empire (eg. granting the Empire permission to set up schools, build hospitals and irrigation projects, etc.). If there are factions within the Board of Trustees (Imperial Council) no-one outside knows about them. It meets behind closed doors and does not publish dissenting opinions, and no-one announces policy platforms when running for it, because there are no elections and none of the candidates is sure whether he is being considered for election at any particular time. The factions within the Senate are:
Note well, however, that this politics goes on at the Capital and at Imperial Sector HQs, and that Imperial Senators and Agents are involved in it, and the Managing Trustee, the Chairman of the Trust, and Imperial Ministers. It is almost completely ignored by everyone else, like the proceedings of the General Assembly of the UN, or the internal processes of EU policy-making. Except even more so because (1) the Empire's policy has very little to do with what actually happens on the worlds most people live on, (2) most colonies are 33 days travel from the Capital and 14 days' travel from their Sector Headquarters, (3) there are no elections to stir up interest, the (4) the whole thing is hopeless stalemated and goes on indefinitely with the same old same old. The colonies themselves have their own purely internal politics, which are much more interesting to the people who live in them: immediate, contested, and dynamic. Copyright ©2008–2011, by Brett Evill
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