We're (not) gonna have to adjust Bow ROFs

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It's a very understrength bow, probably 5lbs or something (like a LARPers bow).

Side note: just talked to a friend who used to fight in LARPs; he says that typical maximum permitted RPG bow draw is 10-15kg, or 20kg for crossbows; and people used to gravitate towards 10-12kg.

Unless you mean Mind's Eye Theatre sort of LARP, where nobody wears armour/helmets, and everything is solved with rock-paper-scissors.

(I haven't participated in either, so a second-hand account is all I have.)

[Flyndaran]

It's hard to imagine 5 lbs shoving anything other than Nerf arrows more than a distance measured in inches rather than feet.

[zoncxs]

He did just post another video, and the bows he use are 35 lbs bow.

[Stupid Jedi]

Originally Posted by zoncxs

He did just post another video, and the bows he use are 35 lbs bow.

So how do you calculate bow ST from draw weight? Obviously a ratio to Basic Lift, but does anyone have a formula they use? I seem to recall that 55 lbs. is typical for a hunting bow. ST 10?

[Stupid Jedi]

A friend of mine who bow hunts with his wife says that his wife uses a 40 lb. recurve bow and killed an elk at a range of 35 yards with one shot (in the vitals). He uses a 55 lb. recurve bow for elk hunting. My father uses a compound bow for moose hunting with a 55-lb. draw weight.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Stupid Jedi

So how do you calculate bow ST from draw weight? Obviously a ratio to Basic Lift, but does anyone have a formula they use? I seem to recall that 55 lbs. is typical for a hunting bow. ST 10?

The Deadly Spring suggests draw = 2.5¥BL. A 35-lb bow would thus be between ST8 (32 lbs) and ST 9 (40 lbs).

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

There was a claim of 3 shots in 1½ seconds, which may add up to 2-3 shots per second depending on what Readyings are done before the first shot and what we count as a shot. (Of course it may be a false number.)

Do you know what part of the video he's shooting that fast? I keep counting about 1 second per shot.

Originally Posted by Gnome

It's easy to deride someone else's skill, but this guy has clearly learned to do something really cool, and to say it's unrelated to Bow skill is disingenuous at best. Of course it's a demonstration and not a battle, and so the guy has all kinds of situational bonuses.

I think it's a neat trick but the claim in these threads is that it somehow proves that the existing GURPS rules don't cover it.

But there's no reason a real warrior couldn't use the same technique, holding multiple arrows in hand, drawing and firing rapidly.

He's half drawing a ST 8 -ish bow. So 1d for a Relfex Bow and then (probably) halved for a half strength draw. This is without using the the realistic damage from TDS which would be even lower.

I think it's actually a nice demonstration of GURPS rules at work. You can fire a bow at RoF 1 if you take some penalties, which this guy is overcoming with a combination of techniques and situational bonuses.

Except the claim in this and the previous threads is that it's a demonstration of something that can't be done in GURPS.

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Side note: just talked to a friend who used to fight in LARPs; he says that typical maximum permitted RPG bow draw is 10-15kg, or 20kg for crossbows; and people used to gravitate towards 10-12kg.

Unless you mean Mind's Eye Theatre sort of LARP, where nobody wears armour/helmets, and everything is solved with rock-paper-scissors.

(I haven't participated in either, so a second-hand account is all I have.)

No I meant 15 lbs, not 5lbs. Left the "1" off.

[DanHoward]

This WAS ALL COVERED IN THE FIRST THREAD.

The drawstrength of the bow is irrelevant since he doesn't even go close to full draw
He didn't shoot mail armour, he shot a modern costume.
The amount of damage delivered would not even be worth a single point in GURPS.
GURPS would cover everything in that video with a Combat Art skill since none of it can be applied to a genuine combat.

Please read the first thread. It was frustrating as hell to have to explain it all the first time. Why repeat it all again?

[gilbertocarlos]

Originally Posted by Gnome

I still think the video is impressive. The guy shoots through mail, and even if it's not properly padded, I don't think you would want that arrow in you.

That's probably indian cheap mail, not riveted mail.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by DanHoward

Please read the first thread. It was frustrating as hell to have to explain it all the first time. Why repeat it all again?

Because they don't believe you.