03-25-2019, 08:47 AM | #1 |
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[LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
Browsing some gambesons available for sale I noticed they're very light, none weighting more than 10 lbs, and after googling some more I found no evidence that gambesons and padded jacks are as heavy as shown on Low-Tech (lightest version with only 1 dr weights 9 lbs, dr 2 jumps to 18 lbs).
Why are textile armor in GURPS so heavy? Is it to balance their low cost? |
03-25-2019, 09:34 AM | #2 | |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
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Its like how a leather jacket from a department store is DR 0 and 1-3 lbs, not any of the kinds of leather armour in a game book. Edit: The best definitions of damage and DR in GURPS are for steel plates vs. bullets, and have trouble representing things which provide a bit of protection against muscle-powered attacks, so GURPS Low Tech has optional rules ... but its not unreasonable for most of the padded jackets for sale today to give DR 0 to DR 1* (cutting and crushing only)/0. They are lightly built from cheap materials to look good and take the sting out of blunt swords.
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03-25-2019, 11:26 AM | #3 |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
It's because of the amount of textile needed for DR 1 against impaling. There's rules in LT for heavy clothing that is DR 1 vs cutting only, and that weighs less.
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03-25-2019, 11:45 AM | #4 |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
Also ... I think there was tension between having rules for padded armour 6 mm, 12 mm, 18 mm, and 25 mm thick, and between making its DR-to-weight ratio appropriate in comparison to metal armour. As is, I would treat Padded Cloth and Light Layered Cloth as the main options, because 30 layers of linen protecting just the Torso weigh about 3600 g (8 lbs) and an extant mid-thigh-length, long-sleeved, inch-thick padded armour would weigh 10-12 lbs if it were adult sized.
Dan Howard has said that it would help for representing muscle-powered combat if a point of DR represented about half as much resistance as it does now. As it is, there are optional rules in Low Tech to describe how someone in a heavy winter jacket, flannel shirt and longjohns can get away with things in a knife fight that someone in Bermuda shorts and a Hawaian shirt can't risk.
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03-25-2019, 12:47 PM | #5 |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
So those gambesons being sold as "padded jacket class" are all just the inner padding gurps includes in the armor weights or at best padded cloth (dr 1*)? That's a bummer...
Thanks for dispeling my misunderstanding. |
03-25-2019, 04:14 PM | #6 | |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
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Here is an example of proper textile armour. It is about an inch thick and is as rigid as a board. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O8...rmour-unknown/ Loadouts: Low-Tech Armor would be a good book to read. It dispels a lot of historical armour myths. http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/l.../lowtecharmor/ Keep in mind that clothing can be very heavy. A lot of older-styled wedding dresses can weigh 30 lbs or more.
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03-25-2019, 06:09 PM | #8 |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
Rock fabric would probably be similar to the real world version using serpentine or asbestos fibers.
Dwarves are naturally immune to mineral induced cancer, right?
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03-25-2019, 06:17 PM | #9 | |
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Woven basalt fabric is a real thing, and is now used instead of asbestos in most brake pads and other places. And is used because it won't give you cancer or lung diseases.
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03-25-2019, 06:40 PM | #10 |
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Re: [LT] Padded/Layered Cloth weight
Natural miners should have a bunch of small resistances, and dust is certainly one of them.
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