04-09-2010, 02:09 PM | #11 |
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Re: Why Germany Matters
Another potential source of conflict you could examine, Jürgen, is the emancipation of bioroids in the EU. One could imagine that not all Europeans were equally happy that genetically engineered biological constructs are considered full citizens. Some could be afraid of them, because they are "unnatural" and others could resent that bioroids cannot be property as elsewhere in the world. Maybe bioroid hate groups would arise, much as we have xenophobic and homophobic groups today.
You know, something like: "Europe for baseline humans!" or "Deport the fakes!" These hate groups could be responsible for violent assaults or even bombings of bioroid halfway houses and assassinations of "bioroid-friendly" politicians. These tactics would seldom be successful due to effective law enforcement, but the sentiments could be there in a minority nonetheless. Just some random thoughts. Max
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04-09-2010, 03:57 PM | #12 |
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Re: Why Germany Matters
* TS is ridiculously optimistic in certain social predictions, especially in how it pretty much discounts any meaningful rise in identity politics. Giving "human rights" to beings that are demonstrably not human in any way (biology, thought processes, etc) should be political and social dynamite but everyone just shrugged their shoulders I guess :) Given the violence we see today over rather trivial things, I suspect that things are not quite so simple as laid out in broad strokes by Fifth Wave.
* However, keep in mind we are dealing with a world in which neoclassical economics has pretty much been thrown out the window and social systems are transitioning rapidly to a nearly post-scarcity model for manufactured items. There is also memetics to consider, and bioroids/SAIs designed with "national characteristics" in mind may appeal strongly to conservative elements that at first glance might oppose such things. If you can build citizens with Duty (Home Country) (even at a quirk level) ... |
04-09-2010, 04:35 PM | #13 | |
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Europe is consciously more liberal than most places . . . but its AIs have to be programmed to obey European law, which is fairly restrictive in a lot of ways. And bioroids, though they have many rights, are denied the right to reproduce . . . because their exercise of that right would entail bioroid manufacture, which is illegal. My THS campaign had, as a background incident, a suit brought by a European bioroid demanding the right to (a) make a bioroid within the EU as her child and (b) freely use the proprietary genetic codes of the corporation that built her in doing so, notwithstanding their copyrights. I think that illustrates some of the possible issues. Bill Stoddard |
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04-09-2010, 05:51 PM | #14 | |
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So can Bioroids adopt human babies in the EU? or maybe humans that donate their genetic material so their bioroid friend can give birth to their very own human baby. |
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04-09-2010, 06:21 PM | #15 | |
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Ostensibly advanced and enlightened societies such as the Pacific Rim Alliance and the U.S. regard bioroids as biological machines bred for labour wit fewer rights than "real people," and other than the EU, South Africa and post-human settlements such as Seventh Heaven, that is the prevailing attitude throughout the solar system. Look it up. There's a handy table on p. 127 that neatly summarizes factions' and nations' attitude toward post-human intelligence.
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04-09-2010, 06:24 PM | #16 | ||
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* You are correct about AIs though, I had forgotten how many places had them in the Animal category. Quote:
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04-09-2010, 09:22 PM | #17 | |
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It's been a while since I've read all the books - and it's about time I reread them anyway for this project - but I think I remember reading that somewhere...
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04-09-2010, 11:11 PM | #18 |
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Re: Why Germany Matters
Yes, absolutely. In fact, any who've been hacked (or who've evolved) to lack that disadvantage are considered rogue and usually hunted in panic. Outside of Duncanite clans and such, the world is terrified of AIs without strict pseudo-moral-legalistic constraints.
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04-09-2010, 11:26 PM | #19 | |
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You know, a nontrivial part of that campaign consisted of the PCs being made aware of some legal question. Bill Stoddard |
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04-10-2010, 12:08 AM | #20 | |
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