Star Munchkin Trader ability

[mechbear94]

The Trader class in star munchkin has the trader ability stating:Moderator edit: Please don't post card text, for legal reasons. You may paraphrase: A Trader allows you to take an Item off the top of the discard stack by discarding equal or greater value Item(s).

when used in conjuncture of the mind control gas it should allow for an almost infinite game. since it is a one shot if your opponent only fights one monster and you cause its defeat can you immediatly trade for it back?

[MunchkinMan]

I'm not sure how this goes for an infinite game, since you must discard Items of equal or greater value. You'll eventually run out of stuff, and can't guarantee that someone else might not bury the card you want with a non-Item Treasure card, like a GUAL.

[Andrew Hackard]

Additionally, the CURRENT player decides what order to lay things on the discards, not the person who plays the card.

[mechbear94]

I appreciate your posts. And I thought I added potential to infinite but thank you this should cause less arguments next time someones about to win and I stall them

[Flemroid]

Can this ability be used anytime except during your combat? Or not during any combat?

[Brf]

The card states "during combat". Since that is unqualified, it should mean during anyone's combat.

[Clipper]

I disagree with Brf. In my experience, when something is said to not be done "during combat", it typically means as long as nobody involved is in combat. An example is equipping Items, where the rules say, "You may NOT change your used and carried items during a combat or while running away." We know from official rulings that people not involved in a combat can switch their Items around during someone else's combat, though.

The phrase "during any combat" would be used if it meant to block out its use entirely during all combats.

[Flemroid]

Originally Posted by Clipper

I disagree with Brf. In my experience, when something is said to not be done "during combat", it typically means as long as nobody involved is in combat. An example is equipping Items, where the rules say, "You may NOT change your used and carried items during a combat or while running away." We know from official rulings that people not involved in a combat can switch their Items around during someone else's combat, though.

The phrase "during any combat" would be used if it meant to block out its use entirely during all combats.

I hear you but I feel like I've seen things that say not during combat and it means any.. like thief stealing ability?

[Andrew Hackard]

I admire Clipper's dedication to consistency, but I feel it's only fair to note that WE have not been consistent in our wording (and the older the set is, the more likely that the wording is a bit loose). In this case, the intent is that you cannot trade cards while anyone is in combat.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Flemroid

I hear you but I feel like I've seen things that say not during combat and it means any.. like thief stealing ability?

But a Thief can steal from somebody during a third player's combat:

Originally Posted by FAQ

Q. Can a Thief steal from someone while neither he nor his victim is in combat, but someone else is?
A. Yes.

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

I admire Clipper's dedication to consistency, but I feel it's only fair to note that WE have not been consistent in our wording (and the older the set is, the more likely that the wording is a bit loose). In this case, the intent is that you cannot trade cards while anyone is in combat.

Ack, well there's another exception to remember.

And unfortunately, I do need to ask... is there any way for us to figure out which ones of these abilities are meant to be blocked during any combat and which ones are meant to be blocked only if we are in a combat without asking about each one?

I mean, I guess the Bounty Hunter and Mutant (Star version) abilities would follow the same rule as Trader given they're from the same set. But there's a ton of cards with the "during combat" phrase and I've always seen it ruled like with Theft beforehand. Should we perhaps assume Star is the only odd set out? Or is it a blanket rule over abilities that mess with the discards perhaps?