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02-18-2006, 05:19 PM | #1 |
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Does Lucifer still serve light?
I'm serious here. Lucifer has more or less brought the deepest and darkest aspects of humans and celestials into the spotlight, he's enlightened the entire world with respect to all things that we call dark.
If there is something hidden in darkness he'll bring it into the light. He'll drag it kicking and screaming into the light if needs be and he'll make sure everyone gets a good long look at it. So it seems to me that he is serving light in a rather twisted way, but if that's the case how does it effect his character? Is there anything he wouldn't do because it would oppose the word? Is there anything that would be opposing the word? The things that bring moral darkness often bring intellectual light. Atrocities, for example, teach us a lot about what people are capable of and what drives us. I'm having trouble thinking of anything that doesn't somehow serve light in some interpretation of the word. |
02-19-2006, 07:05 AM | #2 |
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Re: Does Lucifer still serve light?
Does Lucifer still serve light? Not really.
Don't forget that Lucifer is trying to drag the entire universe into darkness. He wants to kill the symphony. He hates everything about existance. If he causes inspiration or enlightenment, it was accident or to further his plans. Lucifer wants to crush your hopes and drag you into darkness too... at least, that's my take on him. Then again, he is a Balseraph, and can justify his actions to himself any way he wants. |
02-19-2006, 07:27 AM | #3 |
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Re: Does Lucifer still serve light?
I've done him difrently in difrent campaigns. The last campain that I ran Lucifer was actualy still working for Heaven- the entire conflict brings progress idea. I haven't compleatly decided what I'm going to do w/ him this time but I can't imagine him having easy to read motives or wanting to destroy the symphony- I could see him wanting to control the symphony. I'm thinking about running him a lot like the Lucifer in the Vertigo series.
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02-19-2006, 08:17 AM | #4 | |
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Re: Does Lucifer still serve light?
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Also you say he hates everything about existance, but the materials we have seem to indicate he was happy with his lot before humanity. Odds are there remains something that he likes or he can change into something he likes. |
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02-19-2006, 06:14 PM | #5 |
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Re: Does Lucifer still serve light?
It's not necessarily canon to In Nomine, but...
It can be asserted that Shaitan/Satan, the Adversary of Judaic tradition, is really more of God's quality control. It's his job to continually test Creation, in an attmept to see where it breaks. For the best example, see the story of Job... Satan's not ruining his life out of hatred or malice, but to see if and when Job will lose his faith. That Job turns out to be the Old Testament's most eloquent cynic is just icing on the cake. Furthermore, Satan does this WITH the full acceptance of God. In fact the Rabbis and Prophets are most insistant on this: all good and all evil flow from God. Nothing is done without His will or assent. Satan gets all of his power and authority to act against the creation from God. Christianinty, of course, has a differnet take on all this, as do Zoastrianism and Islam. +++|<=== Lord Carnifex --- |
02-19-2006, 09:13 PM | #6 | ||
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Obviously that belief has no place in In Nomine canon. I guess the belief is that Satan is the Adversary, but of man instead of God. It certainly makes the read more consistent but one has to remember that books were cut from the Torah, and some of those contained a more traditional devil-figure. (Or would you call it more modern? I really don't know which came first.) Quote:
I must confess though I'm not sure how this relates to my question. (I'm not complaining mind you.) |
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02-19-2006, 10:16 PM | #7 | |
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02-20-2006, 10:06 AM | #8 | |
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Lucifer doesn't want a "world" of darkness, he wants ONLY darkness, where he can be alone with his selfish Will. Lucifer is essentially committing a reverse suicide, removing himself from the universe by destroying it, simply because it doesn't fit in with his selfish worldview. Lucifer is committing the SUPREME act of selfishness. As for whether Lucifer is a tool of God, he could very well be, but I doubt he is consciously serving God. |
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02-20-2006, 11:02 AM | #9 | |
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My view of Lucifer in IN is that he's a demon who wants to rule, but still recognizes that God could stomp him flat if He really wanted to. Being in that situation and being a Balseraph, he tells himself that he's fighting for the right to self-rule. There are clues that point that he wants to rule instead of simply destroy. Belial's write-up mentions that Lucifer doesn't want a nuclear holocaust. The case of Legion and the plague (IIRC) are other examples that show that he wants humans left over to push around. Whether he unwittingly serves God is up to debate. Certainly, there is some evidence to that. The write up on Yves and Chronos from Heaven and Hell seem to indicate that God simply is. That is, not good and evil as humans would see it, but someone who is also learning as the symphony evolves. In that case Lucifer _would_ be merely a part of this learning process. |
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02-21-2006, 10:24 AM | #10 | |||
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I don't think that he needs some reasonable cause for this. Sometimes people do things because they're angry that will not only harm others, but themselves, too. Think of a child that destroys some toy just because she has to share it with another. So the "total darkness"-approach isn't to be dismissed, in my opinion. But Glamourweaver's idea is also very striking... Hm, it seems that Lucifer's plans, motives and aims are quite...ineffable. And I like that. Quote:
"God is not Good. God is everything. And He is holy." (I hope I quoted correctly.) Methariel
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